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      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      No change there then Freda!!!

      Having seen David Babbs on YouTube, and confirmed he looks about 17 years old (!!) I'll repeat something I have said before, the people who 'run' 38 are young twenty somethings and pensions and the plight of pensioners are not sexy enough. We are all so old as to not be worth the bother of taking up the pension scandal even though at the time this campaign was current it had the most votes and the most comments.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      John, the spoof video has so far clocked up 7,400 views. That is a good result and it is bound to rise. ICBP may not appear to you to be achieving much but I can assure you the unpaid board members work very hard and put in many hours in an effort to get this injustice ended. You can compare them to the swan gliding across the water, not much seems to be happening on the surface but the feet are hard at work paddling away underneath! Keep up the good work, we ARE going to succeed in the end.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I would love to John...but being a frozen pensioner I can't afford it. But you are right it's the only way to get attention! Trouble is we are here and the problem is there and we do not get the same publicity because of that very reason. I have always said that a street protest would get the media to take notice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Bad news that Freud is one of them. He is so ignorant about frozen pensions he makes an idiot of himself whenever he comments on the subject.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hello John, well done. Do not be put off by the lack of responses very rarely do we get even an acknowledgment. Here is a link to the Lords facebook page. You will see a couple of our fellow frozen pensioners have left comments. https://www.facebook.com/UKHouseofLords

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      If I may add my ten pence worth......The new pension bill is going before the Lords, when we don't yet know, but when we have the date may I suggest those who are outraged by this disgraceful treatment of the 4% write to those Lords who are eligible to vote to encourage them to withdraw clause 20? We are not sure which Lords have the vote but once we find out one of us will post the list here. Please support the frozen 4% even if this injustice does not affect you because this is a case of blatant discrimination and it is a basic human right NOT to suffer discrimination and it is even more reprehensible when it is a government that is guilty of doing this. Thank you.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I and friends have asked a few celebrities for support but none was forthcoming. I wrote to Joanna Lulmley, no reply, Dame Floella Benjamin, at least she answered and is on our side and is supposedly active behind the scenes. Also Helen Mirran has been contacted but no reply and some others without success so it would seem pensioners rights are not sexy enough to fight for.

      I will join Freda in thanking Peter Morris for his support, particularly because this injustice did not affect him as he did not have a frozen pension. Rest In Peace Peter, we will miss you.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Me too! But haven't we been here before and voted for pension justice? Like you Chippy I'm not going to hold my breath!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yup me too...I'm back in the ICBP fold! I hope now that grown ups are running the page we can work together to get justice for the frozen 4%.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I think, Freda, the frozen pensions are the proverbial hot potato no-one is prepared to pick up. As I have said before as far as 38 degrees are concerned pensioner injustice is not sexy enough and we should all crawl away and be quiet and content with a pittance that decreases in value each year.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      What is seriously worrying too is that the Equality and Human Rights Commission cannot, or will not, admit this situation is wrong. It even quotes the lies sent out by the DWP so one has to assume they are puppets of the government, not really interested when the discrimination is by the ministers of an institution. Institutional discrimination is still discrimination, it's a bit like putting lipstick on a pig no matter how it's dressed up it's still a pig.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      John, a state pensioner in Niagara Falls, Canada has his/her pension frozen, no cost of living increases ever. A state pensioner in Niagara Falls, USA, a couple of miles separate them, gets annual cost of living increases which means over the years the frozen one is cheated out of thousands too. Both have paid into the NI fund under the same terms and conditions, 4% of state pensioners are cheated in this way. David Cameron and Steve Webb bang on about "fairness" ad nauseam all the while they have purposely set out to do the opposite.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thank you Peter, more ammo in our arsenal.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes still battling but elsewhere...38 degrees is a lost cause! In fact I would not come back here at all if I didn't get a message in my inbox each time someone makes a comment!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Anonymous, you say this is the wrong time to expect the government to find extra cash, the government do not need to find a single penny. As Peter has pointed out, our, yes OUR, money in the NI fund is in surlpus to the tune of £29-30BILLION. This is not government money it belongs to those who have paid mandatory contributions, so their is no financial excuse to carry on depriving just 4% of pensioners their right to annual uprating and to bring them in line with everyone else, including the lucky expats who enjoy their cost of living each year.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Wow...we have 8,000 votes, thank you for your support everyone! Do we dare hope 38 degrees will have the nerve to take on the government now that the Queen has signed a new charter that forbids discrimination in any form? This discrimination of just 4% of state pensioners has been allowed to go on for years. When is the government going to be charged with breaking this law?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I'm with you on that Peter!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I too have noticed our votes are increasing. I agree we do not want anyone new to this forum to believe our fight is over...we are just busy fighting elsewhere as 38 are clearly ignoring the plight of the frozen pensioners. To anyone interested please follow the support groups suggested by Andy. Here is the link to the International Consortium of British Pensioners (ICBP) facebook page.
      http://www.facebook.com/pensionjustice?fref=ts join us in our fight to end this injustice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good question Freda, I agree that saving the nations forest is a major result for everyone on 38 and all of us who supported that campaign, but it would seem that the British government's constant picking on pensioners by their policies that make pensioners worse off is not an issue 38 are bothered about. Certainly the plight of the frozen 4% is not even on their radar, this after the campaign suggestion to them to get involved in demanding an end to this discrimination and injustice was top of the list for nearly two years and had the most votes for the same time. So why one has to ask is this issue not taken up? Could it be that the threat to trees and woodland creatures is more important than 4% of vulnerable seniors who are struggling to survive on a pittance that's worth less each year? I would say that most caring, honest, thinking, people would agree that human suffering was just as, if not more, important. But then I'm biased, I'm being ripped off by this government by having my rights disregarded and my money being stolen from me!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks for this link Peter, I have sent a comment. I have been blocked from Steve Webb's facebook page, poor lamb was getting to many comments about his inability to do as he promised before the election, ie: unfreeze our pensions!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I think you are Morgeo so don't hold your breath!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 
      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Apart from Anonymous we have been keeping this forum going between us since Peter last commented on July 7th. Do we assume having started this campaign suggestion all interest in it is dead Peter?
      I don't know why you guys are bothering to put these links on here as no feed back or thanks have been forthcoming. Is it any wonder our pensions are still frozen! Oh well we will carry on the fight until we get justice...then the big organizations will grab all the Kudos.
      By the way...what is the point of the ICBP facebook page..they don't even bother to answer questions put to them or use it for discussions,they use it just for putting links on. It seems almost all of the comments from posters are just preaching to the converted. What is it achieving?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter Morris, I read your comment on the Telegraph link morgeo posted on here on August 5th. Have you been back and kept up with our comments from POP Group members on there? We have kept it going for a week now and certainly made an impression and had over 300 supporters of our comments and the writer of the article has got invovled. This is what we do on a regular basis. Because of our continuous participation in these articles we are informing hundreds of people in the UK and elsewhere about the frozen pension injustice who otherwise would remain in ignorance. You can work out who we are, although I post as georgiegirl on the Telegraph the others you will no doubt recognise.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      There have been many articles we as a group have commented on over the weeks and months. We have encountered many ignorant posters who think we should not get any uprating and we have spent many hours doing this. We are on our own in these forums for the most part. We do not see any comments from you Peter or James or any of those who are obvious members of your organizations. Do you not get Google Alerts? I told you that's how we get to see these articles months ago. Yes we can post links on here but it's easy to get the info yourselves. It just takes a small amount of time and effort to get your alerts up and running. Let's face it you do not come to this site very often and you will get alerts in your inbox everyday.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter, if you read our comments we agreed that the newspaper ad is too expensive but the bill board idea is possible.
      As a group we do not charge a fee for membership we do the work instead and we also bounce ideas off each other...OK so the newspaper ad is a no go but one idea leads to another and it's never a waste of time to try all angles. And we certainly do not belittle any ideas thrown into the pot.

      James I find it amazing that BAPA after, is it 20 odd years?, that you have not got a letter of your own to the Queen compiled for your members and you needed to copy ours. I think it would have been nicer if you had been honest and said "we would like to use yours as an example for our members, is it OK if we put it in our newsletter and on our website?" Of course we wouldn't mind, flattered even. It just would have been nice to have been asked. After all we are all fighting for the same cause and as David Cameron likes to say ad nauseum "We are all in this together"! Only in our case we actually mean it!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Here are a couple of links...get emailing everyone. One is David Cameron's office at No 10 the other is his office in his constituency.

      http://www.number10.gov.uk

      http://www.witneyconservatives.com/

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We may only be a small group but we get things done. Here is the link to that article Andy mentioned, just a small correction Andy, I believe CARP stands for Canadian Association of Retired Persons. This organization really should check their facts before embarrassing themselves and giving false information out.

      http://www.carp.ca/2012/06/15/british-overseas-pensioners-update/

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      In what way, James, did I descend into a public disagreement with you in the Witney paper? My comment did not mention you as I had posted it before yours.

      Peter, if information is in the public domain and questions are asked about said information why be so coy about giving answer those questions? I cannot believe it's because the questioner is "not a financial member." That is just too childish and I cannot believe that describes you so why put up the barrier? Not wanting to work together on this issue is shortsighted and smacks of sour grapes. Now we know why Dickie Bird and Michael Parkinson are unable to help (what was the big secret here?) then all stops must be pulled out to get another well known figure involved. I am convinced this is the way to go (plus a billboard or two!), publicity in the UK is going to positivly help us. Heaping shame on the heads of the guilty two faced ministers and the court of public opinion can do nothing but help our fight, because this injustice has been kept from Joe Public in the UK is one reasons why this theft of our money has gone on for 60 years. Start getting tough or before we know it another year will have passed and many cheated pensioners will have popped their clogs without seeing justice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Anonymous....we have exchanged many emails with David Babbs and other members of the "team" at 38 because we are disgusted that the campaign with the most votes and has been top ranked for a year and a half is overlooked and campaigns like the one you have highlighted with few votes get taken on. We get the same answer over and over, that it is up to the members of 38 degrees, of which according to them, are many thousand, to decide by voting on Facebook.
      We have now given up that 38 operate in a fair and unbiased manner and we use this forum to connect with others who continue to fight this injustice. So are the 38 team telling us untruths when they tell us in their emails that it's the members who decide? Do you have inside information?

      We have started a new site, you can go and vote.....

      http://www.campaignengineroom.org.uk/allcampaigns

      and you can comment if you want to.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter, perhaps you could post your links that you get every day on here so we can all comment on them.......we will pass on ours.

      Also how about the questions I have been asking? If Dickie Bird and Michael Parkinson are not involved just say so....but we do need a high profile spokesperson to grab the headlines on a regular basis. It worked for the Ghurkas.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Right I get it! Keep it simple so we all understand!.We discovered this fact a while ago...not sure why discrimination, theft and an injustice that has been ongoing for 60 years does not get the 38 degree members hopping about with indignation and a desire to help innocent previously hard working tax paying, and STILL tax paying, seniors being ripped off by millionaire ministers. Maybe the majority of 38 members are 20-30 somethings and pensioners being reduced to poverty by government policy is not sexy enough.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Sorry to be so stupid Anonymous but I do not understand what you are saying.

      Here is the Witney Gazette link again without the "bit" on the end, takes you straight to the comments page.

      http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/forum/letters/9746300.Solve_pension_issues/

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This link is from morgeo, it is one we often comment on. The Witney Gazette is David Camerons local paper in his constituency. We like to think his office staff at least read it and maybe even comment on our past postings. By the way I forgot to say I also use the name janeybird.

      http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/forum/letters/9746300.Solve_pension_issues/?action=success

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Jame's one of my concerns when I was a member of CABP was that I was never privy to the amount of money collected and what that money was being spent on. Any group that receives a fee from members should be furnishing those members with a statement of accounts at least once a year.
      As for your statement at rarely seeing comments by posters to this forum all I can say is, yes we sometimes use a pseudonym, mine is georgiegirl and protempore and of course my own name, but just because you do not see something doen't mean it's not there maybe you are not seeing all of the articles? Most days we comment on at least one that comes in via Google Alerts. I could be petty and say that we do not see your comments on any of the many articles we comment on. But that would be immature...wouldn't it?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I would have thought whatever it takes to get the job done. The attitude that ideas from non-members are resented is why you are no further forward. Throwing your toys out of the pram is counter-productive and immature. I agree the newspaper idea is expensive but the bill board idea is worth thinking about. You must be open to new ideas and to get in a snit and dismiss them, because they come from non "financial members" is doing your members, and by the way Morgeo and Chippy are paid up members, a great disservice. Are we not all after the same goal here?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Great....go for it ICBP and Champollion no more faffing about..get it done!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      PS....Of course the list needs to be updated!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have suggested before that ICBP or Champollion take out full or half page "ads" in the UK nationals about the frozen pensions. This list seems to be an ideal subject to highlight, let the British public see what governments past and present are guilty of. Maybe then we will get more resident Brits involved...the word needs to get out there and the British papers are not going to do it for us. So how about it ICBP?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter, having come back to point out the errors in Chippy's list, by the way how embarressing for BAPA, if an organization publishes these facts on a website they MUST update it constantly, would you please answer my question first asked on May 15, again on May 31st and again on June 4th? What have Dickie Bird and Michael Parkinson been up to in supporting this fight?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks for the compliment James...have you commented? I see our cover is blown but It's not hard to guess who's who as our style of writing gets known!!
      Can you persuade Peter to answer those questions?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter, I no longer belong to CABP, I prefer to be pro-active, this is why I ask questions on this forum in the hope that someone with the answers reads them and replies.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I will ask again the question I asked on May 15th, what have Dickie Bird and Michael Parkinson done for the cause? We have heard nothing, Joanna Lumley, when campaigning on behalf of the Ghurkas was always in the UK press, highlighting the injusice they were suffering, that is how she achieved success.
      ICBP and Champollion have the resources to recruite a "Personality" and if the above mentioned were a figment of somebody's imagination then get on and find another well known person who is prepared to help fight this injustice or before we know it yet another year has passed and many older pensioners will have popped their clogs before they see justice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Just think, if the Queen had a letter from every frozen pensioner and they were all passed on to IDS he would soon get the message!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      A member of the group I belong to, Anne Puckridge, wrote to the Queen about the frozen pensions. Below is a copy of her reply just received. Much better than the usual polite brush off that comes back from other members of the Royal family.

      Dear Mrs. Puckridge,
      >
      > The Queen has asked me to thank you for your letter of 29th April, from
      > which Her Majesty has taken careful note of your comments regarding
      > government policy on pensions for British state pensioners living in
      > Commonwealth countries.
      >
      > I should explain that as a constitutional Sovereign, The Queen remains
      > non-political at all times. Nevertheless, I have been instructed to
      > forward your letter to the Right Honourable Iain Duncan Smith, MP, the
      > Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, so that your approach to Her
      > Majesty may be known.
      >
      > I am enclosing a personal message from The Queen in response to your
      > congratulations on the occasion of Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee.
      >
      > Yours sincerely,
      >
      > (signed by - Miss Jennie Vine, Deputy to the Senior Correspondence
      > Office
      >
      >

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      There is a new campaign at http://www.campaignengineroom.org.uk/allcampaigns scroll through the pages until you find the "Parity or Poverty" campaign, please vote and you can leave a comment too.
      Hopefully we will have more response as 38 degrees is not interested in taking this issue on.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks for that Peter, just a couple of questions. What has the state of the UK economy got to do with it? The NI fund is a separate entity, ring fenced and in surplus, it's our money sitting there for our pensions?
      Even the DWP has had to stop saying that reciprocal agreements are not needed as this has been proven to be untrue (or to be less polite..a lie).
      Excuse my ignorance but what does BME mean?
      Why is the name of the cabinet minister not disclosed? Did the rep from ICBP point out the savings to the UK economy that expats make in not using the NHS and all the other services that resident pensioners are entitled to?
      A positive meeting in many respects until you mention George Osborne...he is not intersted in seniors welfare...in fact he seems to be on a mission to make life as hard as possible for those who have worked and paid taxes and are now retired. Much better to give taxpayers money to those who have not done a days work all their lives.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We have been very busy doing other things, working hard to get an end to the frozen pensions, James. Also waiting for the answers to questions posed here. Like, what has Michael Parkinson and Dickie Bird done for this campaign? What has become of the much lauded working group? Also we hear that this campaign suggestion is not going to be taken up by 38...it came last on their list when members were asked to vote on their next campaigns. So the fact that this issue is the most voted for by the public means bugger all if 38 decided not to go with it.
      I hope the ICBP have read the reaction to the Telegraph article about "phasing" in of uprating...we have been taking part in that outrageous suggestion, by we of course I mean the group I belong to. No concessions James, uprating for all is the only option, anything less is a cop out and condones the continued freezing of the rest.
      Looking back at the last month the only comments posted have been from just the three of us, not counting you James and Peter Morris, so I think we, Andy Morgeo and myself have been flogging this dead horse so maybe we deserve not only some credit in keeping this forum going, albeit intermittantly, but also some answers.


      I will ask again....what has happened to the Dickie Bird and Michael Parkinson involvment? What about the much lauded working party?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Can anyone tell me what happened to Micheal Parkinson and Dick Bird? For the past year we have been emailing various celebrities to see if they would take up our fight to give it prominence in the UK, without success unfortunatley, then many months ago it was announced that the above two personalities were on board and they would do a "Joanna Lumley".The silence since then has been deafening...anyone know why?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Still a long way to go James with less than six months left. Very disappointing and more should be done by the large organizations who have the means to contact thousands of frozen pensioners. I am willing to bet my best boots that if the vast majority of the frozen pensioners heard about the epetition they would try to vote or get help to vote if they have not got a computer.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have commented on the Roger Helmer link but it seems to take many hours to go through the moderator...I will check again as it's now been about 24 hours.
      So 530 signers...why is only 500 needed? I would have thought the more the merrier...I have signed it by the way!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Regarding the AVAAZ petition and the CABP's lack of support. A little bird told me that the CABP are saying nothing is going to happen about frozen pensions until 2016. I think this negative outlook is permeating through the ranks and is impacting any recruitment efforts. I have said before I think the CABP is a vehicle for those involved to get out from under the feet of her indoors and to give them something to do. I'm not getting the impression that the ending of frozen pensions is something that needs urgent action......they are happy to pootle along. Sorry if that sounds harsh as I know these are all volunteer "staff" but that's the impression they put out.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Here is WH's email address haguew@parliament.uk Join me in demanding an explaination for the illogical.
      If a lie is used to fob people off it has to have credibility......right?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Australia's foreign minister Bob Carr has met with William Hague his UK counterpart in London. The subject of frozen pensions was touched on "briefly" according to a report in the UK Telegraph online. I would hope Mr Carr did more than allow Hague to dismiss the plight of 500,000 UK citizens with just a brief discussion but our belief that ministers have the courage to stand up and fight on our behalf and even demand an end to this injustice has been sorely tested so many times and has been found wanting. Mr Carr was told that as the frozen pensioners do not pay tax they are not entitled to uprating!
      I kid you not, this comment came out of the foreign office. I cannot believe that Mr Carr let that one go without protest, I hope he asked why then do 600,000 other British state pensioners worldwide get the uprating. We are all still paying tax yet the 4% are singled out for this discrimination. It beggars belief that the FO would put out that statement when it is so obviously illogical! As I have said before we deal with idiots, which is seriously worrying because these people are running the country.
      I suggest we all now write to William Hague and ask him to explain that statement. It just confirms of course that there is no logic to freeze some and not others and these ministers are clutching at straws and trotting out statements that make them look stupid and foolish. Lets see how they try to wriggle out of this one, so get writing everyone.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James, there is another group with a very similar address in the UK
      a bit confusing! They are planning strike action in November...do you think it's worth contacting them to include frozen pensions?

      http://pensionjustice.org.uk

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thank you for your votes Jaz. I totally agree with your comments about the NHS. Although don't forget it's not just doctors and nurses who work hard "up the sharp end". I worked on the wards in a rehab role for twenty years, physically demanding work and doing certain lifting one to one with stroke patients put a strain on my knees and has contributed to my having one knee replaced and my other one is to be done in about six months. I had to stop working in a job I loved after twenty years at age 52 as I could no longer put my body through the stress. So my NHS pension is very small and now my state pension is frozen, this was not discovered until I applied for my state pension after I had lived in Canada for three years. I am not entitled to any state benefits from Canada until I have lived here for ten years, that's another four years. The UK government is stealing my annual uprating although I have paid for it all my working life. That is why when I hear David Cameron and Steve Webb spout on about how they "care about older people" I get extremely angry because in reality they just wish we would go away so they can continue fleecing the workers to line their own pockets and those of their fellow millionaire buddies.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      If only it was that easy, Sunshine Woman. As Morgeo pointed out this campaign suggestion has plenty supporters. It has had the most votes than any other campaign listed here for over a year now and no you are wrong about if enough supporters put their votes into a suggestion 38% will turn it into a petition. That is not how it works...I wish it was. If the 38% members don't want to take up a campaign they won't. This is what's so unfair with their way of working. It would seem that the number of votes is errelevant. That's our beef with this organisation.
      As for publicising this campaign what do you think we have been doing for the past year? We have written to newspapers got friends on board everything you can think of we have done, this is how we have the most votes on this website....but we have been told by 38% that actually this is "not allowed" that only paid up members of 38% should be voting...how crazy is that? As though anyone abides by that stupid rule. I'm sure you meant well by making your comment ...but teaching Grandmothers to suck eggs comes to mind!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We have tried via emails to 38 about taking up this campaign. We have been the top rated campaign suggestion with the most votes for a year now.....but 38 are not interested. I guess pensions are not sexy enough and when an organization liks 38 is run by 12 year olds a group concerning the injustice of the over 60's is not worth the effort.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The ECHR did not say the the UK government must carry on with the theft of our money though, it merely said no laws were being broken. So where is this "do the right thing by working hard and you will be rewarded" ethos that David Cameron keeps on about? Also another of his quotes "We want to redefine fairness" oh yes and this one "We care about giving people dignity in old age". All this hot air would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. Where is the dignity David in trying to manage on a pension worth less and less each year? When you sit down with the Queen, as I'm sure you will do in this Jubilee year, and indulge in a banquet and stuff your face with all the goodies set out before you maybe you will think of the frozen pensioners who have to manage on the pittance of a frozen pension. But then again I doubt it, why should you give a damn, you are only interested in your wealthy chums with their faces in the trough lining their stomachs and pockets at the expense of those who work and pay for it all.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I'm with you on that George, it's well overdue that the forgotten frozen pensioners saw some action on their behalf. Unfortunatly the British government have this inbuilt contempt for seniors who they seem to regard as past their usefulness and a waste of space. I heard on the CBC radio this morning that governments in Scandanavia actually invest in there senior citizens...providing assisted living complexes where seniors can live independently but social activity and care is on hand if one needs it...they realize that more baby boomers are reaching retirement age and they are forward thinking, plannig ahead to make life as good as possible. This of course is something the UK government would never do. They are determined make life as hard as possible for pensioners...maybe they will just fade away. George Osborne is seeing to it that pensioners are worse off in his budget, whilst several wealthy cabinet members, himself included, will benefit from the new tax changes. Of course frozen pensioners did not get a mention, as if we don't exist, but we are not going away, in fact our numbers are increasing and we will not stop our campaign, with or without 38 degrees help. We will force Cameron, Webb et al to do the right thing and fulfill the promise made to us before the election.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks Andy, although it does get you there in a roundabout way.
      It must have been my fingers getting carried away!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Michael Thompson did you add your three votes when you wrote your comment here? I agree with you whoeheartedly...this disgraceful situation is going to continue until the government of the day decides to award pensioners a decent pension to enable them to pay the bills AND eat. Diet is very important in the maintenance of good health especially in seniors. Having worked in senior healthcare I know for a fact that senior care beds in NHS hospitals were occupied by those seniors who could not afford a good healthy diet and so their health suffered, therefore taking up NHS beds and the expense that entails. I'm a bit out of touch now but an occupied bed I believe cost hundreds of pounds a day. It is shortsighted of the government to not only pay out the lowest state pension in Europe but now in the latest budget millionaire George Osborne has seen to it that pensioners are even worse off.
      I will sign your epetition Michael and I hope you will sign the epetition to call for and end to the frozen pension injustice....http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/16387... I'm sure you are not naive enough to think that getting the required 100,000 signatures will guarantee a debate on this issue. If an MP does not take the petition forward it is dead in the water as some have already found out after getting more than 100,000 to sign up. If it's a subject the government do want to discuss they will block it. Ain't democracy wonderful?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The total of votes on the epetition is disgraceful just goes to show as Morgeo comments, apathy rules. Not enough is being done to enlighten the British public. It is imprtant to get those still in the UK on board....after all this unfair policy could affect the feedom of choice when those still working in the UK decide they want to retire overseas.
      As usual the fight for rights is left to the few...thousands stand to benefit when justice prevails on this issue but the majority are just sit back and do nothing but whinge about this discriminaion. Get out there and vote.......this injustice has gone on long enough. How about ICBP taking out full page ads in the UK press about the epetition...not just one but on a regular basis? Try and get a deal for three or four ads over the next couple of months. For goodness sake we are running out of time fast to get those votes to reach 100,00.
      Do something and do it now. Or this campaign will be another failure.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      There is a lot of misinformation doing the rounds in the UK. Looking at the postings with the article in the Telegraph by John Markam Morgeo and Georgiegirl spent a good deal of time yesterday trying to educate those with the misconception regarding the payment of UK taxes by expats. Now that yesterdays messages are way down on the list new posters, having not read the previous messages, are once again saying as we are not taxpayers in the UK why should we expect uprated pensions! It is really frustrating the amount of ignorance out there. I have tried many times to get the
      UK papers to publish my letters in attempt to explode the myths trotted out by the DWP but it is almost as though we are personae non gratae. We at least educated some yesterday about the reciprocal agreement lie. We must all try to do our bit in educating the great British public by taking part in forums like the above as Morgeo and Georgiegirl did yesterday in the hope that at least we get through to a few boneheads.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree Morgeo, my comments are fueled by anger and passion in equal measures and I do tend to get carried away. Your commitment to this fight Peter is a given. But to make any form of concession after all the years of pension theft is not an option and John Markam is not representing me and I do not want him to compromise my pension uprating. Yes I am one of the "young" ones and I would have to wait 5-6 years before my pension increases and I am not eligable for Canadian top up as I have not lived here long enough. So even if we have to wait for two more years for uprating I will still be better off. Having said all that to compromise on the uprating of everyone across the board is to compromise the principle of long overdue justice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I did not think for one minute that the thaw would happen this year...but we must not waver in our fight for justice for every single person affected in this theft of our money and hope for victory soon.
      Sitting back and leaving this battle to the few is not an option, we must all do our bit to put an end to this injustice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we, who are fighting this injustice, all agreed that to discriminate is not only illegal but, if one has any principles at all, is also morally wrong. Now along comes an idea to continue to discriminate for another five years those at the bottom of the age scale, letting the government off the hook and save face, as they see no wrong in this disgraceful treatment, is not acceptable. So now we can add age discrimination into the mix. Peter this maybe OK with you to accept the "thin" end but discrimination is discrimination whatever spin you try to dress it up with. This plan is showing the government a sign of weakness after all the years of fighting, to give in now and settle for less than uprating for everyone is a slap in the face for the few who are fighting this shameful treatment so that the rest of the 4% get what is rightfully theirs.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This is the thin end of the wedge Peter. Did John Markam consult the membership before offering this concession? This has come out of the blue......what about the positive impact unfreezing would have on the UK as set out in the report from Oxford Economics?
      Another "new" bombshell is your remark that for "a year or two" the surplus is not £114 billion but around £35-£40 billion...it is still £114 billion according to Wikipedia and that page was last modified on 5th November 2011. You would think that after a "year or two" the facts would have been updated by now. Now is not the time for those who are involved with this issue to start backing down.... as soon as a chink in the armour is exposed the battle will go belly up. This must not be allowed to happen. If the unelected leaders like John Markam start back peddling now all will be in the do..do. If he is losing the passion to fight for parity for all of us at swipe then he should stand aside and let others take up the reins.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      John Markam, Director of ICBP and CABP is saying in the just issued Justice magazine "Sensitive to the UK's current economic stresses and the Eurozone issue we made some suggestions about various ways of easing pension parity. For example in the first year uprate the pensions of those who are 85 and over. The next year those over 80, followed by 75+, then 70+, then 65+ and finally the remainder."
      I have not quoted him verbatim but the timelines are as written.
      NO NO NO....... as far as I am concerned this is absolutely not acceptable. This is tantamount to giving the government a get out of jail free card. It condones the continued discrimination of the younger pensioners because the older ones are being uprated. We all know the NI fund is a seperate entity, nothing to do with the "economic stresses and the Eurozone issue" Mr Markam.We all know it is going to have a surplus of £114 billion this year and uprating ALL pensions is affordable. We demand our rights that the UK government see fit to ignore.......we have to have pension parity for all at the same time.....no concessions or capitulation.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree with Andy and Morgeo, after one year of being the most voted for campaign and for 38 not to have taken this suggestion up is nothing short of disgraceful. What more do they need to see that this injustice needs support. What they are doing by ignoring the glaring need of those pensioners who have no union to march on Downing Street is adding to the discrimination and unjust treatment of the government. What they are saying is they DO care more about the campaigns on this forum with less support. We are no longer living in the UK so we seem to have our rights, and yes we still have our rights the same as any other citizen, ignored. OK one day this will be you, you young things who think anyone over 60 should be euthanised, you will find that before you know it you will be among us, and you never know you may want to have the freedom to choose where you live out your retirement. If you help us to end this discrimination, Team 38, you will be helping yourselves.
      Andy's suggestion that 38 send out a newsletter or email to urge their members to vote on the epetition is brilliant.........so how about it Team 38?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The Church of England Bishops have condemed the proposed benefit cap planned by Iain Duncan Smith and indeed have helped to scupper it. John Packer, Bishop of Rippon and Leeds has said "There is a very real risk that these reforms will cause suffering to the most vulnerable in society". What I am not hearing is the Church condeming the suffering of vulnerable state pensioners who are sinking into poverty because of the governments frozen pension policy. As a "christian" David Cameron has the power to end this discrimination but has so far refused to do so. The church is aware of this injustice, a fellow member of an action group I belong to wrote to them asking for support at the end of last year, he is still waiting for a reply. Hypocrisy is alive and well in all those who lord it over the rest of us.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Iain Duncan Smith in an interview with the BBC has commented on the capping of benefits paid to those who are not bothering to look for work because they are getting more than £26,000 a year to sit on their rear ends doing nothing ( except banging out child each year).
      He say's that money should go, and I quote "to those who need it and deserve it". A step in the right direction I suppose for those of us who have spent all our lives working and paying taxes and never would dream of applying for hand-outs.
      It is shameful that he does not apply the same analogy to those of us who need and deserve our full pension. After all we have paid for it. We are not demanding a hand-out like the thousands of non deserving work shy (who it seems get it all handed on a plate). What we are demanding is our rightful pension uprating as set out in the National Insurance Scheme.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I would like to wish everyone who is involved in this battle for justice a Happy New Year. Will this be the year that the discrimination of state pensioners will end? I sure hope so, the fact that this has been allowed to continue unchecked for so long is a travesty of justice. One thing I am sure of if the government had discriminated against religion, gender, race or human rights ( clearly seniors do not have human rights) the full force of the law would descend upon them from a great height.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Well thanks you two, I knew if I asked the question someone somewhere would have an answer!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The article in the Telegraph about the working group recently set up to look into the frozen pension issue has a quote from the DWP and the Treasury that confirms that " There had been recent meetings on the matter and that these meetings had concluded for the time being".
      So is there a working group actively looking at this issue or not?
      Is there anyone out there who knows the answer to this contradiction?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I read this recently...."David Cameron defines christian values as responsibility,hard work,charity, compassion, humility,self sacrifice,love,pride in working for the common good and honouring the social obligations we have to one another."
      Well David an impressive list... such a shame you cannot live up to those expectations because of the way you turn your back on just 4% of UK citizens by ignoring the fact that your refusal to uprate their pensions is forcing many into poverty. To deny their rights is discrimination, to withold their money is theft, to trot out your christian values whilst treating seniors in this shameful way is hypocrisy. So may I add one more definition to your list David? If you are a christian and you become an MP be sure to get yourself a pair of blinkers so when you are faced with implementing any of the above values you can put them on. That way you can ignore the truth while you puff out your chest and proclaim what a good christian you are.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree with Andy and Chippy, the evidence is already there. Yes the setting up of a working group is a step in the right direction, but for those pensioners who are really suffering any delay in making the right decision is catasrophic. I believe the mention of back payments and the billions this would cost is a scare tactic put out by the government, maybe to justify the "the country can't afford it" lie? Am I right in thinking Peter that backdating has not been at the forefront of this fight for justice, the thrust of this campaign has been to thaw the frozen pensions? Forgive me for not trusting MP's, I cannot think what it is that makes me so cynical!!!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So the government have formed a working group to look at the frozen pension issue.Taxpayers money being spent on something that is so obviously wrong, just fix it Mr Cameron. You know what you are doing is immoral, discriminatory, unjust and illogical. Stop trying to make out you need a group to decide this disgraceful treatment of UK senior citizens is wrong. You already know it is. Have the backbone to kick the elephant out of the room now. This injustice has dragged on long enough, no more delaying tactics.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Steve Webb, and I quote from an article written recently " has stated and restated his desire to replace the hugely complex and heavily means tested current State pension with a universal higher State pension for all"....... So he has at last joined up the dots!! Instead of employing, at vast expense, those people who decide who is entitled to all the add-on benefits to the lowest State pension in Europe he is going to raise the pension. So Steve when you say ALL you do mean ALL right? The dictionary definition of ALL means "the whole; everything; everyone;... Got that have you Steve? That includes those who have their pensions stolen by you...... you know who they are right? Those you ignore continually who have their pensions FROZEN.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Agreed James, but do not forget the expat pensioners who are living in non-Commonwealth countries such as Andy. I think I am right in saying there are more frozen non-Commonwealth countries than there are frozen Commonwealth countries. No doubt I will be corrected if I am wrong!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes Andy, I agree with your comments the days of the polite pensioner asking for parity are over. Those organizations should be more aggressive and demand our rights be implemented. How come the Canadian MP's are expressing surprise about the frozen pensions and also the huge drain on Canadian taxes in the replies we are getting from our emails to them. Surely if CABP had done their job they would already be aware of these facts? I have spoken on the phone to Cathy Tomlinson a reporter from the "Gopublic" programme at the CBC (Canadian equivalent of the BBC) in the hope they would highlight our fight on the news, she tried hard to get our cause featured but the "bosses" could not run with it in the end, she was very surprised to hear about this injustice, was gobsmacked at the cost to taxpayers in this country. Again how come the media knew nothing about it? I would have thought ICBC would be lobbying for support for our cause here in Canada as well as the UK. So James I and others in the group I belong to are working hard behind the scenes, we don't have a website, we don't charge a fee, we are a group of dedicated like minded individuals who are hopping mad that this discrimination is still going on after all these years and we are spending hours of our time going down every avenue we can think of to inform as many people as possible about the UK's grubby little secret. Then it is our intention to get the court of public opinion to force the government to stop stealing our pensions and to show the world what hypocrites and liars they are.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James, you can bet your boots I have done a great deal about it. Do you really think I would make these comments if I had not? I have emailed everyone I know and written to newspapers here in Canada and in the UK. I do not have access to thousands but I would have hoped that letters to papers would have had an effect. This forum is just a small part of my campaign. I belong to a very active group who are banging away for this cause every day. Thanks to us the Canadian public and MP's across the country are becoming aware of the UK's dirty little secret and I can tell you they were not aware that $300 million tax dollars are used each year to bail out the UK's injustice. So yes I am very pro-active and this forum is the least of the work I am doing. And yes I agree with you not enough victims of this pension theft are doing enough and are leaving it to others to fight the good fight but that is always the way, isn't it.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The epetition stands at 12,648 why not thousands more ICBP, CABP and BAPA? Have you not contacted your members to vote?.... I'm guessing... NO or the total would be a lot higher. What is going on here..... I thought you guys wanted a result the same as the rest of us. Is this just a little hobby..so you can get out from under the feet of her indoors...a project that you dicker around with so as to keep your little grey cells from atrophying? Do you just suggest to the rest of us to do this and that then sit back and do b****r all?
      Peter Morris you said on October 31st that if thousands wrote to the Queen at the same time via snail mail the plight of frozen pensions could not fail to be noticed and I replied that you get your members ready and pick a date we would all join in. What happened? I'm again guessing here....nothing!! Answers on a postcard please.........or just some action would be good.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      A report from the Runneymede Trust states ethnic minority UK citizens wishing to return to their country of birth will miss out on full state pensions because of the freezing policy. This affects many Black and Asian Britons who have spent their working lives in the UK paying into the NI fund who wish to return to the Carribean, Asian, African and South American countries. As soon as ethnic minorities find they are discriminated against I guess all hell will break loose. Never mind that British born expats have been fighting this for years and find they are ignored by successive UK governments. But hey whatever it takes to get the hypocrites in Westminster to abide by the rules set out in The Equality Act 2010.
      http://www.runneymedetrust.org/

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I read that the latest " hit the pensioners" is from Nick Clegg (deputy PM) He wants "millionaire pensioners" to forego claiming their free bus passes etc...This would be laughable it it wasn't so serious, I wonder how many millionaire pensioners leave the Merc in the drive and stand at a cold bus stop in the rain for a bus that is half an hour late just so they can use a free bus pass! What will these pillocks come up with next.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      ICBP need to update the information on their website. In the List of Links all three BBC addresses are no longer in use as the journalists have moved on to other jobs. Channel 4 news is the only one still relevant.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Welcome back Andy I am pleased to hear you are back home. I think I need a bucket, not to bail out water I hasten to add, but for me in case..... well I will spare you the details, I will just say George Osborne makes me feel sick. He drips on about how much HE is giving the lucky 96% of state pensioners when in reality he tried every which way he could to get out of it.
      He found that he, the MILLIONARE chancellor could not find a way out so he has had to go with it, the two faced weasel!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      State pensions are to be increased by 5.2% next April. George Osborne has just said that the increase is a "Commitment of fairness to those who have worked hard all their lives" What about the 4% of British state pensioners who do not get any increases George just because of their address? Has my old school friend who moved to the USA 20 years before I left the UK worked harder than me? She gets the increase even though she stopped her NI contributions in the 1980's. I paid my contributions until 2006 and because I live in Canada I get nothing. Is that a commitment of fairness? No it's a commitment of continued discrimination.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So that arrogant MP thinks we are zombies...no doubt the minions who staff the offices in Westminster check the comments on this forum.... if I am correct you can send this message to the weasels in Parliament who forget they are public servants. IGNORE THE OPINION OF THE PEOPLE AT YOUR PERIL.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I read this statement recently and I think James Nelson wrote it so I am sure he won't mind me using it. " The Secretary of State has wide powers of discretion in relation to benefits payable to persons not resident in Great Britian. It is time for him to exercise those powers in accordance with the principle of natural justice and to accept moral accountability for his political decisions". Couldn't have put it better myself. He has the power to stop pensioner poverty, the pension pot is going to have 114 billion pounds surplus next year, yet nearly 3,000 UK pensioners died last year because, if you believe the newspapers, they could not afford to keep warm enough and eat properly. Seniors should not have to make those choices. The UK has the lowest pensions in Europe and it is the only country to freeze the pensions of expats. The MP's of course get a fat inflation proof pension and do not suffer freezing if they retire to "a wrong country". Shame on them.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      No mention is made Allan because they cannot justify their discriminatory treatment of their senior citizens and they have no moral compass. Many are ignorant anyway about this ongoing situation and many are millionares like George Osborne and have no idea about the hardship they inflict on the most vulnerable in society. A government is judged by how they treat their seniors and the UK persistently keeps the pensions the lowest in Europe and continues to steal the uprating ALL pensioners are entitled to if you happen to retire to a "wrong" country. MP's have exempted themselves from frozen pensions if they move to a "frozen" country so they are also hypocrites, it beats me how they can sleep at night. When in opposition these same hypocrites have said this unjust discrimination must end and as soon as they are in power they carry on ignoring the plight of these pensioners who are living in poverty because of this treatment, so not only are they hypocrites they are also liars.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James, I have just googled your article and I see it is dated 2004, I thought it was new info. So my question now is what have you done with this information, it's new to me as I have not seen any publicity given to the fact that MP's and civil servants get special treatment if they retire to a frozen country. Why is this not shouted from the rooftops. I have not even seen it mentioned on this forum.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James what do you intend to do with your article " The Immoral Dimension"?
      This will add weight to our argument and it proves again what a hypocritical bunch of self serving weasels MP's are.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James, Andy has had to leave his house and cannot comment on here for a while. I'm sure we wish him well and hope he can return soon.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter Morris, what is happening about the letters to the Queen? I have a few people ready to go when you get your members poised to write. We need to do this all at the same time.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James, I comment on so many sites but I think this one came via Google Alerts.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Well Peter Morris have you gone away to arrange the mass mail shot to Buck House? Let us know when you have your members poised and we will join in. The palace staff will let her know for sure that thousands of angry pensioners are revolting, sorry couldn't resist that!. But seriously we need to do this and you are in a unique position in that you can contact so many people to get this done. We await your word on when to write to the Queen.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Well Peter maybe the members of ICBP and CABP and BAPA should be urged to write to the Queen. As you say if thousands all wrote,say, in the same week I am sure she would hear about it. Can you action that?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Does the Queen know about the government's refusal to discuss this huge and important issue? She is head of the commonwealth after all. Did she attend the meeting, I'm sure I heard last week that she is in Australia?
      Maybe we need to write enmass to the palace with our protest that this issue is not even up for discussion at the very place,the CHOGM, where it should be dicussed. In normal people when one feels guilty and embarrassed about something the reaction is not to discuss it but of course this does not apply to polticians because they lie and hide the truth with impunity. No moral compass, no principles, arrogance and a thick skin, knowing what is right but ignoring it and still being able sleep at night, ignoring the plight of their most vulnerable citizens who continue to suffer because of this injustice, all of these dubious qualifications are needed to be a government minister. Normal humans need not apply.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes James, in other words smoke and mirrors!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Here is another piece of government misinformation. If a person who lives in, say, Australia requests a state pension forecast then the forecast is accompanied by an information pack, which recipients are advised to read alongside their forecast. The leaflet has a section called "State Pension Payments Outside The UK" which explains that the state pension will only be increased if the recipient lives in a country that belongs to the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland or a country that has an agreement with the UK to allow these increases. So correct me if I'm reading this wrong. I live in Canada, so the Canadian government is at fault in not allowing the annual increases? So when the Canadian Prime Minister has asked on more than one occasion that the UK unfreeze British pensions and has been told that the UK "cannot afford it" he is lying?Well someone is lying here, I'm prepared to hazard a guess that it is not the Canadian Prime Minister as tax dollars are being used to bail out the UK's discriminatory action. So that leaves the UK government, gosh, really, do you think they are telling porkies? Surely not, it's all in the wording........isn't it?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Here is another "fund" that the government has money for, again headed up by John Major.It's called "Public Duties Cost Allowance". That multi-millionaire Tony Blair claims from it,( shame on him, just how much money does he need?) as does Maggie Thatcher, she claimed half a million pounds over the last year!! How many public duties does that frail lady take on? A break down is as far as I know not available, but I may be wrong. Former Prime Ministers have claimed £1.7 million in the past five years. £140 million has been dished out in Civil Servant bonuses in 2010-2011. £40 million to DWP Civil Servants, £45 million to Ministry of Defence Civil Servants. Yet they still squeeze pensions and pensioners to "save" money. Also David Cameron has pledged that foreign aid will rise from £8.4billion this year to £12.6 billion in 2015. Billions of pounds is being poured into some of the worlds most corrupt regimes. £90 million to Yemen by 2015, £250 million to Somalia by 2015 and £353 million to Zimbabwe. Oh, but of course they do not have the money to pay their seniors a decent pension, the UK's state pension is the lowest in Europe, and cannot stop the discrimination of just 4% of the state pensioners by doing the right thing and pay them the full pension that they have already paid for!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy, Graham says he is getting £112 a week not a month, still not enough and it of course is worth less as each month goes by.
      Graham come back and use your votes.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So we are on page seven now soon we will be in the double figures!
      I think 38 would like to bury us, they are certainly ignoring emails that ask difficult questions. Thanks for voting for us but it seems 38 go on ignoring the campaign idea that has the most votes.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hi Andy, I have also noticed that a new posting gets the kogs working again.
      Also when the hamster goes into sleep mode I have clicked on "renew" and have found the page has gone into reverse eg; 1 day ago becomes 3 hours ago! Weird or what?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree Dennis, a once great nation destroyed by years of bad management by politicians who put themselves first, and the people they are there to serve second. They of course are assured of a fat annually increased pension, no freezing for them if they retire abroad. I don't know how they sleep at night knowing they are robbing pensioners.
      Lord Beveridge, in his November 1942 report, on which the UK state pension system was founded, established a fundamental principle " All insured people, rich or poor, would pay the same contributions for the same security". I expect he would be spinning in his grave if he knew how 4% of British seniors are discriminated against by having their pensions frozen when 96% of British seniors worldwide get the full uprating when ALL have paid the same contributions. Steve Webb, when in opposition, said there was no logic to this injustice and it would be easy to put right. What happened Steve? Nothing has happened, these vulnerable citizens are ignored whenever Webb makes his speeches about raising pensioners out of poverty. It would seem having two faces and selective memory is a prerequisite for the job.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Excuse my ignorance but as there is an EDM in existence now does that mean, as happened before, that the pension refreezing will be debated by a committee and not go through automatically?
      If not what, if anything, can we do to achieve that?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks Peter, I did not know that information I am still fairly new to this issue and had not heard about the Carson Case. So that idea is down the pan!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have been talking today to an on line legal helpline. A lawyer came back to me having looked at our issue with frozen pensions and he suggested a class action lawsuit. He would be willing to take it on but of course the stumbling block is that it would cost a lot of dosh. Not something I could pay for or even a small group, but how about the big boys ICBP etc....? Is that a possibility? I am right in thinking that this pension freezing is not "law"? It was never passed through parliament as a bill? He the lawyer thought it would take a long time to change a "law" and of course that would put up the cost. What say you ICBP and everyone out there, is it worth thinking about?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I think all of us who have donated money to 38 are ticked off about being constantly ignored, yes I have donated but I don't keep on about it, and I will continue to ask them why. Although it is pretty plain who is pulling the strings.
      As for going out at midnight to have fun I laughed out loud, you clearly have never visited Campbell River, the only action after 9pm are the deer and racoons playing on the streets!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Actually I do believe these postings are read by more than the few who regularly comment here. 38% proclaim they are an independant organisation but I have reason to doubt that. The government are very aware of it's existence. We comment on this forum because we are seriously dedicated in getting this issue aired and are working together, not just here but in other areas also. OK sometimes we cannot get all the facts and figures right and I agree we must try harder but Meg your continuious berating is tiresome to say the least, non of us are perfect.
      If you get your amusment here then so be it. I am happy to continue to amuse you.
      Personally I get out and mix with warm and friendly people to have my fun.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy did not say that he does not care how many UK pensioners are being supported by Canadian taxpayers, on the contrary he said that if there was only one our case is proven which I interpreted as only one is one too many. I have tried to find out how many UK pensioners are helped in this way but have drawn a blank. Can anyone enlighten us?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Well said Andy, I am the first to admit I am crap with big numbers. As you say just one is one too many. I rest my case m'lud!
      Maybe I should just shut up but I feel so strongly about this unjust treatment of the UK's senior citizens I do get a bit carried away.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James, I think that is the point. If pensions from the UK were uprated the need for top ups from Canadian taxes would not be needed.
      If I am wrong no doubt we will hear about it!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      John Shaw please come back and use your three votes. Click on the box that says "vote" at the top left of this page.
      Thanks for your support.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Figures are approximate but millions of taxpayers dollars go towards topping up frozen pensions so that must go to thousands of people.
      We need Canadians, who feel that this situation is intolerable, to put pressure on the Canadian politicians to in turn put pressure on the UK government to do the right thing and pay pensioners their rightful pensions.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes Andy that's exactly what I meant, sorry if I confused anyone. I have said to my Canadian friends that I am sure no-one checks a claim of citizenship. I have voted Peter, so I know living in another country is not an issue. In fact I wouldn't mind betting that most of the voters live in frozen countries!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I will just add to my last posting that the Canadian taxpayer is paying for about 150,000 of the 500,000 pensioners who have their pensions frozen. The epetition address is in Morgeo's comment below, about 2 days ago.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      It is a pain that you have to be a UK citizen to vote on the epetition. I have many contacts and friends here in Canada who support our fight and would like to vote but are barred from doing so. As their taxes are used to bale out the UK government's disregard for honouring the rights of the 500,000 pensioners who's discrimination they choose to ignore, they should be able to vote.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Morgeo, I don't think 38 read these comments they are certainly not moderated as I had to tell them about obscene language posted on other campaign suggestions. They state they want this site to be family friendly but do not read any of the postings, so that's a joke.
      I am going to email them for the third time to ask why we are ignored all the time having been 1st ranked and having the most votes for six months. Maybe I will get an answer this time. But I won't hold my breath!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Morgeo, I have done the same, if we all emailed everyone on our email list it will push up the numbers, so come on folks get mailing!
      We need 100,000 for the chance to get this issue debated in Parliament.
      There are 500,000 frozen pensioners worldwide so we can do it with a little help from our friends.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy, you are right I had forgotten that. The brain cell letting me down on that one! I think I only have one (brain cell) thats in working order the rest are full of useless information. I must find the delete button, trouble is I have forgotten where that is too!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy, the ICBP created the e-petition so I am sure having started it they will encourage ALL of their members to sign. But it still confounds me as to why they did not do the same for this campaign suggestion on 38. Surely the more irons in the fire the better?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      A friend recently wrote to Sir Malcolm Rifkind about the frozen pensions, she recieved a reply from him after he had addressed her questions to Steve Webb. Having asked SW if the extra cost of uprating could be met from the surplus in the NI fund SW replied "The surplus is invested in public services such as schools and hospitals, the Chancellor would need to raise the equivalent through other means such as raising taxes from primarily UK residents including, possibly, pensioners."
      Well excuse me Steven that is OUR MONEY paid by us for OUR PENSIONS
      you do NOT dole it out to other departments until you have paid ALL of the pensioners their full pensions, yes that includes uprating for ALL PENSIONERS. Then, only then, do you stick your grubby fingers into the pot! And that last remark about taxing pensioners again, having already paid tax on that money, just shows you up for the weasle faced worm that you are. Shame on you!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Anne Main cons. MP for St Albans asked Steve Webb, Minister for Work and Pensions, " What is the most recent estimate of the number of non-EU citizens who attempted to claim the state pension in the UK without passing the habitual residence test?
      Steve Webb replied "The UK state pension is a contributory benefit. It is payable worldwide to people who claim it after reaching state pension age and who satisfy the NI contribution conditions.
      People do not need to satisfy the habitual residence to get their state pension."
      What he neglects to say it is payable wordwide but some get more than others even though they have paid all the dues.
      That little gem came from theyworkforyou.com an interesting site but not all MP's are open about what info about them is put on there. Some are more informative than others.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes Andy I agree about some of the topics that appear on the list. I had to inform 38 about some of the language used by posters which compromised the credibility of the whole setup, foul language and very dubious subjects. It indicated to me that the team were not moderating the comments as they say this forum must be family friendly. You have to stop the idiots out there who are too immature to take part in an adult forum.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter Morris's petition has 3,995 signatures at present.Go to http://www.britishpensions.org.au/petition.htm and follow the links.
      The petition started by John Howwe does not seem to be there now so have they amalgamated? If so it makes sense to have just the one.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Morgeo, the listings of campaign suggestions seem to change as we look at them. I just looked at the 1st one on page 1 it is 92nd ranked, when I went back to campaign suggestions it had moved down the list. You would expect the 1st ranked to be 1st on the list not on page 4. It would be helpful to know when the suggestions where started. May be older suggestions get moved back as new ones come on but that does not explain why they move as we look at them.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy, I know for the unfortunate mans family that his demise is no laughing matter but I did chuckle at that report.
      It would seem logical to most of us that the campaign idea with the most votes and I say again 1st RANKED would be automatically picked to run with but clearly logic does not play a part in this game.
      It seems life is full of illogical hoops we have to go through. The facebook obstacle being one of them. But to not include us on the list of campaign ideas to consider is grossly unfair and smacks of yet another discrimination.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hi Andy, I must say it's good to have you back I was beginning to think at one stage that I was in a one woman show and even the audience had abandoned ship!
      I am still waiting for an answer to my question (details below in my last posting) first put to team 38 at least three weeks ago obviously a really difficult question for them, I expect Johnny Chatterton is still trying to work out what 1st ranked means!
      So onward and upward we keep banging on.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have just sent an email to the team at 38, a repeat of one I sent about three weeks ago which was ignored, asking why our campaign suggestion is ignored when the lists are sent out asking which campaign suggestions to take on next. I again pointed out that ours has the most votes and has been 1st ranked for the last six months. Here's hoping that Johnny Chatterton has found out what 1st ranked means! For those who have missed that gem when asked about our 1st ranked status JC came back with the question "What do you mean by 1st ranked?". Unbelievable or what?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have to ask, James why you set up another petition for expats, if you go to the site I listed in my last comment and click on Dept. for Work and Pensions then go to page 3 you will find a petition started by John Howwe that now has 67 signatures and was started more than a month ago. Surely the support is going to be diluted is it not?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hi James,you are right this is a different petition, I was talking about the http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk site. I have just signed your new one but there must be another on frozen pensions on the same site as yours because I also signed on that site weeks ago.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I signed this petition weeks ago and my confirmation only came through today, so its no surprise that after all this time the petition for "Increased Pensions for Expatriates" has only 62 votes when I checked it today.
      It needs 100,000 votes to get it discussed in Parliament and you can see by this forum that it is not going to happen unless the likes of CABP and ICBP and groups like them get their members to vote and that means these organisations need to URGE their members to vote. As we know from their lack of action to tell them about 38 degrees this will not happen. There was me thinking we all want to get this injustice stopped! So over to you guys at CABP and ICBP, get it done this time.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree Morgeo just think of the impact if all the "supporters" of this campaign suggestion had emailed Ian Duncan Smith and Steve Webb. That would be 2,996 emails, I am sure they would sit up and take notice. It is my experience though that many folks whine on about an injustice like ours but only a handful are prepared to step up and be pro-active about it.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Johnny Chatterton keeps on sending emails to urge us to contact our MP's to stop the proposed changes to the NHS. Our problem is we no longer live in the UK so we do not have an MP to contact. We have no right to use the NHS now that we live abroad and have to pay for treatment if we need it when we visit. The "health tourists" get away with free health care by not paying and the authorities do not chase them but those of us expats cough up even though we have paid NI for years. Another injustice heaped upon us. I emailed my former MP in Somerset about our frozen pensions and he did not even have the manners to reply, we are of no use to them now although as I poined out I still have the right to vote for another ten years. So 38 stop sending me emails about contacting my MP about the NHS as I do not have one.
      Those of us with frozen pensions have to battle on on our own to get this discrimination stopped as it seems no-one is prepared to step up and help.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have just email 38 to ask why this campaign idea is constantly overlooked and campaigns are taken on with just 44 votes.
      Apparently Johnny Chatterton, one of the team at 38, does not know what 1st ranked means. Look at the top right hand corner of this page Johnny!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have just looked at the Accepted List and it seems the number of votes an idea gets has absolutely nothing to do with a campaign idea getting acted upon. 38 have started on campaigns with as little as 44 votes.
      So the last six months of effort to get people to vote for our campaign has been a total waste of our time. Speak to us 38, whats it all about?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      It is seriously worrying that 38 D are not aware of their own ranking system.
      So what is going on? I think other forces are at work here, why is our campaign not being taken up? We are the top of the list. Look at the list on page one of the campaign ideas, we have been top of that list for SIX MONTHS. Why are we still waiting?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      If you look at the "Top Ideas" list there is a comment by a member of the 38 team that says "We have seen this campaign idea growing on the suggestion page and we are thinking about what the next steps should be". Is he talking about our campaign idea? The one that has the most votes and has been 1st ranked for SIX MONTHS ? NO ....This campaign he is talking about is entitled Media Bias, its' "Status" is "Under review" it has 1,208 votes and 541 comments! JUST WHAT DOES IT TAKE 38? Look at the top of the list, see the favourite, it has 7,518 votes and 3,176 comments!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good for you Morgeo, It's a crazy situation that we are 1st ranked and have the most votes yet we find that is not enough! Thousands of votes are saying that the UK government must stop this discrimination now!
      When are you going to help us team 38?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      As John Farmer points out the UK state pension is one of the poorest paid in Europe, but millions of pounds is spent housing immigrants and asylum seekers and all the other social services provided for them .Not to mention the millions of taxpayers money dished out to the workshy too lazy to get of their backsides to get a job. Also millions given away in foriegn "aid" to countries who, like India, do not need it. So the excuse that they can't pay pensioners a decent pension, and they "can't afford to uprate the frozen pensions" is a load of hogwash.
      Do the right thing Steve Webb, Ian Duncan Smith and David Cameron, get your grubby hands out of the pension pot and use our money for pensions. That is what the 40 billion plus that's sitting in there is for.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks for your comment, Morgeo, I was beginning to feel I was in a one woman show here!
      I see our votes total is going up slowly today, thanks for your support.
      It would be nice to have some new comments though. I am feeling a bit lonely!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So 38 are asking which campaigns to take on next and have submitted a list to vote for. We are not on that list even though our campaign suggestion has the most votes and comments and has been ranked No 1 for six months! What is the point of this forum if the hot favourite is completely ignored time and time again? What is it about us team 38? No doubt you are all young and dismiss the older generation but you will be pensioners one day and maybe will want the freedom to live out your retirement somewhere other than the UK. Our fight for equality would mean you could choose ANY country in the world and not have your pension stolen by the UK government. There are thousands of us baby boomers coming up to retirement age and we will not put up with being ignored, this is a fight we WILL win. The time for polite "begging" is over.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Today I left a message of condolence on the CBC news website for the family of Jack Layton. I have shed tears at his early death, something I have never done for any politician before and probably never will again. I liked that he always mentioned the plight of seniors in this country (Canada) and I think if he had become Prime Minister he would not forget his pledge to see that they had a decent pension.
      We will never know if that would have happened, but I believe he was a man of his word. How many politicians can you say that about? I'm guessing a large round figure! Especially the British lot in the
      Houses of Parliament in the UK. A classic case of false promises to end the frozen pension scandal to get into power then an abrupt about turn once they get in and can actually do something about it.
      I don't know how they sleep at night knowing they are stealing money out of the pockets of hard working UK citizens. Shame on you Steve Webb, Ian Duncan Smith and David Cameron.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Come on where is everybody? I know it is a dead time of year and we are out enjoying the summer( too hot here in Campbell River BC to be outside ) but we must keep this forum alive or the team at 38 will forget we are here. Yes we are still here and waiting. Still have the most votes and we are still 1st ranked. How much longer must we wait team 38? Even Cinderella got to go to the ball, we are sick and tired of being overlooked time after time. Will someone please take on this cause and stop the theft of our pensions? The longer this is allowed to go on more pensioners are sliding into poverty. This unjust discrimination has to stop now.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We have now reached 7,500 votes! Thank you to those voters over the last couple of days who have voted for us but not left a comment, your support of this campaign is very much appreciated.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I don't think the odd typo or grammatical error matters. We all hit the wrong key now and then without picking it up at the read through. I have done it many times and not noticed, what is important is we are all on the same page with this campaign and our fight for justice. Those regular posters that I am in touch with are still busy beavering away but a few are away at the moment so it is up to those that remain to keep this site alive and running until the team at 38 make a decision. To me it's a no brainer, we have the most votes and have been first ranked for months so why are we still waiting? What more do you need, team 38, our blood ?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Even MP's with all the power at their disposal cannot change the meaning of words although they try to, to suit their argument. They say we are not discriminated against;
      According to Collins English Dictionary- discriminate-single out for special favour or disfavour-. My understanding of the word is if you have a group of people (in this case state pensioners) and some of that group are being treated badly and the rest are being treated in a better way when they should all be treated the same then that is discrimination is it not?
      Back to Collins this word is - Insure (as in National Insurance) means-contract for payment in event of loss,payment of premiums- So we enter into a contract with the state by paying our premiums, having done that we find the state is not honouring their part of the contract. Isn't that illegal? I am pretty sure it is. Any lawyers out there who can confirm this? What I am certain of is that it is immoral. These MP's are public servants put in office to work for us not against us, it's about time they listened to what thousands of us are demanding, we want our rightful reward for all those years of working. We paid into the Insurance scheme just the same as those who get yearly increases. This IS discrimination so stop pretending it isn't.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter, that stock answer has been replaced by the ruling of the ECHR that it is OK to carry on stealing our money.
      Unwittingly the CABP and ICBP gave the ministers that particular stick to beat us with.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      My comment is also "awaiting approval" after two days. Well, it is a government department site and they are probably having difficulty with big words like
      "injustice, discrimination, broken and promises".

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Don't hold your breath, Meg.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Steve Webb, pensions minister, is spouting off again about lifting millions of pensioners out of poverty with an increase in pensions.What a snidey two faced little twerp he is. He mentions ALL PENSIONERS, but don't get excited folks he doesn't mean ALL PENSIONERS, as usual we are ignored. Go to <pensioncalculator.org/5518/news/state-pension-bonus-for-millions> and you can read all about it. For those with weak stomachs you may need a bucket handy!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree with Meg and it has been said before that a demo on the streets of London is the way to go, but we are handicapped in that we are spread around the world and unless some of us are willing to get together to do this it isn't going to happen. Also the suggestion that the "big" organizations who have the donations from their members could have the means to do this is a good idea. How about it ICBC and the others? It would need a group willing to travel to the UK. Also, prior to travelling, contact the British pensioner associations and ask them for support to swell the numbers on the day. Lots of noise ie; drums and whistles, chanting "Parity Not Poverty" and banners and warning the media in advance so that they could to be there would get us noticed. I would go in a heartbeat but I am not in a position to at the moment, so how about it Richard Hart and the others? The legal way has not worked so the politeness stops. We are sick and tired of being cast aside and are now ready for action and to do what ever it takes. The government must stop dipping their sticky fingers into the pension pot to bail out other departments and pay us our pensions and pay us now.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks Mike for coming back. I am glad you meant ALL pensioners wherever they choose to spend their retirement years. It is nothing to do with government ministers where we choose to live, our pensions are ours and where we spend our money is none of their business. This immoral discrimination must end now.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      What do you mean,Mike Lennard? It is commendable to support the frozen pensioners but it is blinding people to the predicament and I quote "of our own people ". Can you explain what that statement means? You see I was under the impression that as we are British Citizens albeit spending our retirement elsewhere as is our entitlement, and we have paid for our pension through NI we are still the same as any other British pensioner. What crime have we commited that entitles the government to keep our money.WE HAVE PAID FOR OUR PENSIONS. Which part of that do you not understand?
      There is no them and us.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We have all this support from everyone who has voted and commented on here what more is needed?
      I hear you Andy,but its so disheartening after all our effort to think it is still not enough.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Well it seems all our efforts to get support for this campaign to be taken up has been a waste of time. The fact that this forum is 1st ranked and has the most votes, and has been so for months means zilch. It is the votes on Facebook that count and they determine the campaigns. Campaigns are being picked with just a few hundred votes. I guess we are too big to take on. It's a shame, I thought 38 liked a challenge and our campaign would have given them world wide coverage.
      We are not giving up,we fight on and hope someone somewhere has the backbone we need to stand our corner and help our voices to be heard. It just won't be with 38 degrees behind us.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree Andy, a few of us have been keeping this forum alive for weeks now, where are the ICBC and CABP? I thought we all wanted the same outcome as long as we get the result we all want why are those organizations not giving their members the right to vote and comment on here if they want to. It is called freedom of choice.Put the word out there ICBC and CABP.
      What are you afraid of ? Sharing kudos, could that be it?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy, the address below is no longer a direct link, the EDM's have been hidden away and now we really have to search them out starting on the home page.Took me ages to find ours.
      I don't know why but we are now on page two of the campaign suggestions
      I do not know the criteria for listing but seeing as we have the most votes and comments and are 1st in the ranking I think this looks like a demotion.
      Are we becoming too big for 38 degrees to take on? We should have had our campaign picked by now or else what is the point in asking for votes?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So now we wait for 38 degrees to take up our cause. I do not understand why we are still waiting. Our cause has the most votes than any other campaign idea on this forum, has done for months, giving us first ranking for all of those months. What else do we need to do?
      Perhaps the team at 38 can enlighten us?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Paul please come back and add your three votes, comments are good but votes are what counts. I hope you are emailing MP's and being proactive about the problems thrust upon you by successive UK governments who continue to steal from our pensions.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have spread the word about 38 degrees in my local papers and I had an article published in an online newspaper and I know some people as a result have voted but not commented. I do not know why they choose not to comment but quite frankly I do not care as long as they vote!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James thanks for the lesson on Social Security Benefits, I guess I am ignorant on this subject having never claimed any handouts in my life just paid in so some can live like lords on the backs of others.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We keep going as far as I'm concerned. We knew without the support of the big organizations who should have let ALL of their members know about this site and then contiued to send reminders, AND let their members know about the second vote that we were paddling upstream with our bare hands.
      I too recieved the email about the NHS campaign but nothing about any decision being made.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The EDM -Social Security Benefits Up-rating, is anyone else ticked off about our pensions that we have paid for with our money being called a social security benefit? Smacks of having a handout from taxpayers and we should be grateful if we get it.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So BAPA have you informed your members about the votes that are needed on the facebook page, this is the second stage in the voting process and this is important? Just coming on here once and voting is not enough your members, must be encouraged to keep an eye on what is going on and they now need to come back and vote in this second stage. The link is below in Megs posting. Please hurry and do it now time is running out.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      My comment below contains an error the sentence should read
      "So they replied they do NOT help people who live outside the United Kingdom". Note to self "do not write to 38 after 3 glasses of wine !"

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Re the posting by Morgeo, words fail me about the excuse given by The Equality & Human Rights Commission. I wrote to them about frozen pensions about 3 months ago and the reply was " we cannot help citizens who do not live in commonwealth countries" I wrote back and said again I live in Canada and the last time I looked it was still a commonwealth country! They replied with the same answer! I wrote a 3rd time and explained to them that CANADA IS A COMMONWEALTH COUNTRY.Which part of that do you not understand? Finally they got it Canada is part of the
      commonwealth Yipee! So they replied that they do help people who live outside of the United Kingdom.We deal with idiots.But don't you get a warm and fuzzy fealing that convicted criminals have human rights that have to be respected but UK pensioners do not.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Malcolm, try not to be so negative this EDM is a small step in the right direction if nothing else it is bringing the plight of frozen pensioners into the minds of some MP's.
      I saw a list a while ago of MP's who think frozen pensions are unjust and was amazed at how many were, if I can find that link I will post it here.
      So be positive, the battle continues and we will not give up until victory is ours.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Welcome Sylvia to this forum. In answer to your question my husband and I sent an email each to our former MP, we need everyone to do this. I just wish that the folk who posted just the once on here weeks ago come back every now and then and are still supporting the cause with emails etc....

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      John Donaldson please come back and use your votes it's important to get all the votes we can. Just click on the vote box at top left of this page and click on your three votes.
      So CABP is at last asking their members to email ministers about the state pension reform green paper statepension.reformconsultation@dwp.gsi.gov.uk these emails need to be in by 24 June. I and others here on this forum have been doing this for weeks! Have you all been asleep at CABC? It's no wonder nothing has been achieved up till now if I was still a member I would demand to know why so little so late.I think new brooms are needed here.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes same here," more button" malfunction!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I will ask again, have these organizations informed their members about the second stage of voting? It is crucial that you pull out your fingers and get it done, NOW.
      And yes none of us are getting paid for all the time and effort on this forum.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I ask again, why have we only got just over 7,000 votes if all these members across the globe knew about 38? Sending one email is not good enough.
      Have all of these members been informed about this second stage? Last time I looked we had around 31 votes. Get it done if you are serious about getting pension parity.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Before the "management" at CABP pat themselves too hard on their backs one email doesn't cut it. To be proactive you should have sent reminders on a regular basis IF you had been interested enough to keep an eye on the votes total.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So Peter correct me if I am wrong 150,000 expats live in Canada, our total votes today stand at just over 7,000, ICBC sacked their webmaster after he/she emailed about 14,000 members without the permission of the "the management" so the rest of the members remained in ignorence.So as they say here " you do the math." If all of CABP members also recieved the email would I be right in thinking a good many couldn't be bothered to vote?Sorry if I sound cynical but I have spent the last three months trying to get 38 degrees to take up our cause and it is down to a few of us that has kept this hope alive, no support from the "big" organizations who should have been in the the front line.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We are still waiting CABP and ICBP for you to support this campaing. Why would you not email your thousands of members about this forum if you really want to succeed in getting pension parity? Surely this is why you formed the groups' in the first place? Or are you a bunch of old duffers who do not want to succeed so you still have something to do to relieve the boredom of retirment. If that is so maybe you should let others, not so blinkered,take over and get this campaign off the ground. We are missing thousands of votes because of your stubborness. Have you even asked your members if they would like the chance to vote on this campaign or is your arrogance such that you haven't even consulted them? Time to pull your fingers out, don't you think?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Along with Anne Puckridge I have had another letter published in this weeks International Express I have mentioned again 38 degrees and the website so maybe some more votes will come of it but I really am coming to the conclusion that people like to complain about this injustice but very few are prepared to actually do something.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So yes I will hang on to my toys for another 24 hours but unless we see some results on the voting I will lose control and not only hurl the lot out of the pram I will start to be very rude to Tony Bockman and Shiela whatsher name et al and once I get really, really mad all hell will break loose.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Once you have voted click on the little box on the right, It contains three small dots, and you can see who has voted (that handsome man called Peter Davies is my other half !) If you have a separate email address to your other half you get a vote each.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy I tried what you suggested clicked on questions but it does not work for me. I am really peed off because I have passed on this address to others (the 1 amp version) and there is a problem getting in for some reason. It's almost as though someone is determined to make it difficult.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      To vote scroll down to Peter Morris posting of four days ago also Chippy has intructions on how to vote posted 7 hours ago.
      It would seem that the reason we managed to get more than 7,000 votes here on this forum is because those 14,000 members of ICBP were emailed by "mistake" so you can all see it is in ICBPs' power to make this final stage a success or not.If we lose this chance the group of us who have worked our butts off for this cause will be sure to let those pensioners know that those so called organizations have let them down.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The email address left below by Proper Charlie is wrong.
      After the long number you have put in an extra amp it should read=10150642283920788&amp;qa_ref=qd

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Where is everybody? Thirty one measly votes. We need more votes, scroll down to Peter Morris's posting of four days ago and get on and vote.
      I am going to explode with frustration some time soon!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      As Chippy said we need support now more than ever before. To say I am really angry and disappointed that expat groups, CABP, ICBP, local newspaper letters and emails sent by yours truly have resulted in no response is an understatement.What is the problem here, do these organisations not want us to succeed? Is this a case of this is my empire and I want to keep it for myself? Before I throw all of my toys out of my pram will someone from CABP ICBP please respond and explain why you are not informing your members about this crucial vote? If we lose the chance of 38 taking up this campaign it will be YOUR FAULT.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Please,please vote it is really easy even for those newbies (like me!)
      Also once you have voted if you click on the little box on the right of our campaign title you can see who has voted, there are names on there who have not voted or posted on 38 so we are reaching new supporters.
      Seniors across the globe need help and they need it now, please support this David and Goliath fight for justice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So Doreen did not come back and use her 3 votes what a shame. Someone added just one recently but why not use all three? We really need 38 to take up this campaign. Why ? Because the group of people who suffer this injustice are seniors. A soft target with no voice so successive governments are able to ignore them year after year in the knowledge that not many UK citizens know about the blatent discrimination the government engage in and are getting away with. There is nobody standing up and demanding that this is wrong and must be stopped.The British public need to know that this will reduce their freedom of choice when it is their turn to retire and find that they will be penalized if they want to live out their lives with loved ones if those loved ones happen to live in a "frozen" country. Two world wars were fought and won so that UK citizens had freedom of choice how dare the government not uphold that freedom.
      So to the team at 38 degrees these vulnerable people need you to take up the cause and give these senior citizens a voice and shame the politcians into doing the right thing.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thank you Doreen for your comment but you didn't vote!
      We love to hear your view about this theft of our hard earned pension but please come back and vote it is the votes we need to get 38 degrees to take on this campaign. Click on the vote box at the top lefthand corner of this page and select your three votes, Thank you.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks for explaining that, all is clear now I had forgotten they were fantom votes. My excuse is I've had a really busy day, so brain cell overload!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We have lost 18 votes in the last three hours how come?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy, by all mearns delete the " instructions" in fact I suggested earlier that James should do that but he has deleted his account, all comments and his votes. Why do that.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James, I am puzzled as to why you deleted everything. You found the loophole in the system and a good thing too that you did, so we hope it can be rectified, or am I being really stupid and have missed something here.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks Sue for your votes.
      I have just emailed the team asking them to close the loophole that allows access to our email addresses, but my time zone is eight hours behind UK time so they wii not see it until tomorrow.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I realize a tongue in cheek remark can misfire when you are not face to face
      that was what my comment was. I am sorry if you thought I was serious. I am very concerned though that all of this is going to destroy our chances of a campaign. We do need some answers.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Isn't it the votes that count? Keep them coming by whatever means, maybe thats how the NHS campaign got all of those thousands!
      I still think the instructions James has printed here, on how to access posters email addresses should be deleted.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      James just did that, so it means anyone can steal your ID. Maybe your postings telling all and sundry how to do that should be deleted?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      That James is very worrying, can we have a comment from the team at 38 about that please?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I think Anne that's why they make claim process akin to swimmng through treacle, they hope you will give up!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This is a quote from a letter I recieved from the pension service after I applied for my pension, it was the first time after a mountain of forms and letters that frozen pensions was mentioned.
      "If you do not get the increase while you are abroad, you may get the higher amount of benefit if you visit either the UK or a country that applies the European Community regulations or a reciprocal agreement country, exept Bermuda and the USA. The lower amount will again be paid when you leave". They do not say how long you have to be in the country in order to get a "temporary" increase.

      How dare they call it benefit it's our money not a handout.
      So as you can see Malcolm some gray faced little twerp has made sure we are stuffed whatever we try to do.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Welcome to newcomers to the forum, you do not have to leave a message but please use your vote. Click onto the box in the top left hand corner and select your three votes. Thank you.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Welcome to newcomers to this forum. You do not need to leave a message, but it would be nice to know which country you live in and how you heard about 38 degrees. Most important is that you use your three votes by going to the top left hand corner of this page and click on the orange vote box, and select your three votes. Thank you.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good advice I will try that. My excuse for not thinking that out for myself is that I logged on before my first caffiene fix, I had ground the beans and was waiting for the kettle to do its' stuff so the little grey cell was still in sleep mode!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This message is for 38 degrees. You sent me the petition to sign to save the NHS. As I worked for many years in various hospitals its a subject close to my heart. So I signed and to my dismay it was rejected because "my postcode was invalid". I live in Canada I am a British citizen but you have made it impossible to support this campaign. You will miss out on thousands of votes from expats because of a stupid rule about postal codes.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      It is up to us to get those emails off to the address Andy has provided in his comment below. We have a chance that our message may be heard so we must all participate and I mean all don't leave it to the few here who are banging away on a daily basis. Let those ministers know how angry we are about being ignored time and time again.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy and Anne, I realize I am not privy to your conversation about getting into 38 so please excuse if my solution is off beam but all I did at first was Google 38 degrees and up it comes ,top of the list. It is now on my list of favourites so it's easy to access.
      As for Winston Churchill Jr as James said no more fighting for him as he passed away in 2010. I did not realize the freeze started before compulsory
      NIS started, that makes me feel even more aggrieved.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good morning from sunny Vancouver Island, if anyone wants to email BPIA's Jim tilley his email is <jimtilley@bigpond.com> I won't be able to until later so feel free to beat me to it. Also everyone email your local papers tell expats about 38.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      To those newcomers to this forum you can see what passionate individuals we are! We need to direct that passion to our cause to get this injustice brought to an end. We demand our full pensions we have paid for them after all. Tell your MP's by email, snailmail or whatever means, just make a fuss we are not going away until we get what is rightfully ours.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree with Andy we have to remain positive and believe we will win this fight. Some of us are busy working to right this injustice and not just on this forum, we need to stand together and keep up the pressure on these two faced ministers, hold their feet to the fire. Do not leave it to the few of us get on and do something, email ministers, write to newspapers try to get the word out there it has never been so easy to do this with computers giving us the information on how to contact the MP's, info on contacting newspapers, If you are serious about getting your rightful pension, that YOU have paid for then get on and fight for it.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      When I heard about 38 degrees I just Googled it. If I am in doubt about finding anything that's what I do, as I have said before I am new to this computer lark so I am learning as I go along!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies supported this idea  · 
      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I guess I am impatient but I would have thought that we would have had more votes by now as the IE has a wide distribution area.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I am rather confused by your comments Jimmy, those of us who are regular posters are busy spending time writing to MP's, exchanging ideas and trying to further the cause to get our pensions unfrozen. As for deleting those comments that do not advance the cause we can only delete our own and as far as I know my comments are all, I hope, positive. Also we would reduce our comments total and I'm not sure if that is something the folks at 38 degrees take into account at the end of this forum.Some people visit just once and comment and vote never to return, some of us are working hard on this issue and giving our all to get a good result so we can all benefit, also page one is page one it doesn't matter how many comments go before there is always room for more.I am assuming you are in favour of getting this injustice overturned you did not say and as for making page one more attractive for newcomers, this is a forum it does what it does! I am sorry, I try to be polite because I was brought up properly but I find your comments negative.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Today 10th May the International Express has published a letter I wrote to them telling their readers about this forum, urging all those with frozen pensions to vote for this campaign. This paper goes to all of the Commonwealth countries, I'm not sure about other countries, but it should reach a few thousand anyway so lets hope it gets us more votes.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Malcolm, you misunderstood me, when I referred to the personal insults I meant the rude people on this forum who think it acceptable to reply to other posters in a rude and disparaging manner. We are not here, at least I am not, to make insulting remarks about each other. Politicians are as we know two faced and tell lies to get votes so they are fair game!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We have to stay committed to this cause and not be put off by negative comments. I spent 20 years working in Rehabilitation in the NHS and sometimes when dealing with patients with severe injuries it could take years of rehab to gain even a small measure of independence, giving up on them was not an option. I do not give up easliy and we need to continue this battle until we win. Spread the word where you live, get as many people on board as you can, we need to boost the votes. When I mentioned to my Canadian friends that because our pensions are frozen the Canadian taxepayer takes up the slack they were shocked a) they did not realise our pensions were frozen and b)did not know they baled out the UK government!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This is the first forum I have taken part in and I have stayed with it because I feel very strongly about the injustice served upon UK expat pensioners.I am shocked at how some people can be so rude whilst hiding behind the computer screen saying things they wouldn't dare say face to face. We are all entitled to an opinion and although we may not always agree with that opinion it does not give any individual the right to make personally insulting remarks, I would have thought as adults we would be above that.Passionate debate about the issue is a good and positive thing and should be encouraged, but the subject matter here is far too big an issue to be allowed to descend to gutter level. When it comes to personal comments if you can't think of something nice to say then don't say anything.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I am with you on this Malcolm it needs a mass mail shot to Buck house.It will get noticed if a lot of angry pensioners vent their spleen about her Maj's two faced government ministers who promise to right this wrong when in opposition then do b****r all about it when in power.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I emailed CABP and told them about 38% at least a month ago and advised them to get their members to vote. What happened? ZILCH!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We could email Jim Tilley at;;jimtilley@bigpond.com;; and remind him about all the other frozen pensioners around the world.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good morning from Beautiful British Columbia, it would seem from comments on here that folks back in the old country are not aware that expat pensions are frozen in some parts of the world. This will affect their choices if when they retire they decide to abandon the sinking ship that used to be a great country. We must enlighten them in whatever way possible. If you live in the UK and you come to this forum write to all the newspapers ect; and get the word out there.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I must disagree Malcolm, nothing ventured nothing gained. If we sit back and do nothing then nothing happens, in order to change the status quo we must stand up and let as many people as we can hear about this ongoing injustice. We can bring about change if enough of us step up to the plate and refuse to give up until we get the result we all deserve.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      No "harrison" the idea has been discussed before on this forum as you seem to know but we agreed to wait until the royal wedding was over. Methinks you have blown your cover!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We have sent many emails to the ministers maybe now the time has come to start with the snail mail. On David Camerons' home page it states that if you want an answer to any questions you are more lkley to get one if you write a letter the old fashioned way. Also writing to the Queen this way (you can't email her anyway) would hopefully get a responce especially if we all write at the same time. Chippy those stats are amazing, more grist to the mill.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree Chippy, so we need to target those 50 countries and flood the relevant governments with letters and emails.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So who are you Harrison Ford? Are you a regular poster or are you new? If you are new you can use your 3 votes. I'm not sure if it is the name that gets the votes or the email address. If it is the name then draw your own conclusions! I totally agree with Chippy, once our new government is in place (here in Canada) we must pester them, same as we are doing to the UK MPs', to get this injustice put right.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes Andy I think it is just us! We need to drum up some more of the voting public, come on folks step up and click on votes.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy I'm leaving you to man the pumps, it's 10-20pm here in British Columbia so I'm for the wooden hill keep up the good work and rally the troops. By the way check your email the brown stuff hit the fan!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy, brilliant idea lets all do it, as Billy Bunter used to say"Cripes what jolly japes"!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      May I remind everyone to keep sending out those emails to the ministers the addresses are::secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk::ministers@dwp.gsi.gov.uk
      webbs@parliament.uk::andrewselous@parliament.uk
      bottomleyp@parliament.uk Sir Peter Bottomley is supporting our fight so be nice to him but feel free to vent your spleen towards the others!!
      Thanks everyone keep fighting for justice.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Please stop sniping at each other and get back on message. We want the govenment to do the right thing and give us our full pensions. We will not be sidetracked, get it straight you morons who "govern" the country, stop lining your pockets with taxpayers hard earned dosh, stop dishing it out to the workshy and give us what we paid all our working lives for OUR FULL PENSIONS.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I can't speak for anyone else but my emails to the ministers have been very forceful. I have told them in no uncertain terms how angry we are and how we are not going away until we get justice. Gone are the days of polite pensioners, we want what is owed to us and failure is not an option. I will repost email addresses to the ministers later when I have more time, as Meg mentioned some of us are not just fighting the cause on this site. Keep at it everyone we deserve to be heard and will not tolerate being given the brush off, those days are gone.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I will just add my 10 pence worth! I am proud to be British I will not let a bunch MP's who have dragged the country down the sewer to change that. My fear is that allowing certain sections of society to carry on as though they are still living in the country they have left behind and not learning English the rot has spread too far and the country is beyond repair. I am very angry that has been allowed to happenn and those responsible walk away with huge pensions, and it seems ,not to give a damn. But we must not get sidetracked we want our full pensions and we want them now!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good morning from sunny BC the blossom is out the daffs are looking lovely and we have more votes isn't life grand? Just need our pensions uprated and the injustice recognized by the goons in parliament and all will be well. Where are the votes of the 14,000 who were notified by the ICBP about the 38% campaign? Can you let us know Peter Morris?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good point Andy, in fact in this weeks International Express it says "while millions toil away to kick start the flagging economy, the nation's politicians will spend just 46 days working between now and September"! I'll leave you to add your own expletives!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Well done Andy a useful address I will send off a missive today. I know some of us think it's a waste of time but as you say and I have said it also that if we flood all the relevent departments with emails the message will get passed along that those pesky pensioners are not going away this time.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Malcolm I'm a bit confused ( it doesn't take much!) do you mean email the prime minister in our adopted country? In our case in Canada we don't have one at the moment, we will have to wait until after the federal election. A good idea though we can do that.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      May be Malcolm those of us who are new to our adopted country, me included, should point out to the pygmies that we are still UK voters. You remain a voter until you have been out of the country for 15 years. That's why when our Canadian citizenship comes through, hopefuly this year, I am going to have dual citizenship.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Please don't be put off by the standard answers keep those emails flowing, somewhere along the line it will filter through that we mean business and we are not going away. Remember it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I endorse Chippys' comment if you are resident in the UK and have posted on here please spread the word. If you are not even near retirement age( it creeps up on you sooner than you think!) please let folks back home know about this injustice, write letters to the papers email ministers, addresses for ministers are in previous postings on here, just remember it could mean one day you will not be able to afford to join loved ones if they emmigrate to a frozen country. Apart from that it is outrageous discrimination and morally wrong.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Malcolm< what you are saying is so true may I suggest you put those sentiments in an email to, and I love this," those pygmies in parliament"
      I will remind everyone of those
      addresses;;secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk;;ministers@dwp.gsi.gov.uk;; webbs@parliament.uk;; may I remind everyone to keep up the pressure with the emails we will carry on until we win. Failure is not an option.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I seem to be a member of 38', I assume when I signed in and gave my email address I must have joined but thats not clear. Just for the record my husband and I are among the group of "just off the boat" people. We have only been in Canada 5 years I am 63 my husband is 65 in October I doubt we will get a Canadian pension, you have to be here 10 years to qualify, but we haven't paid into the system so do not expect anything. So our UK pension is very important to us. I remember as a child our neighbours' daughter got married and straight away emmigrated to Australia, they never saw her again, never saw their grandchildren, no skype, web cams in the 50s 60s 70s just letters, I always thought that was so sad. Can you imagine the heartbreak of families like that? When we came to Canada nothing was said about the pensions being frozen, we worked out we would be OK with the occupational pensions we had plus our state pension but now without the uprating it is going to be very difficult and also a double wammy is that I paid the "married womans stamp" a reduced contribution, but was never told it meant I wouldn't get a full pension. Also I was not working for 10 years so I was home to raise my daughters, now in the last budget they have addressed that but I miss out because I'm too old. So for us the frozen pension issue is a big problem and those of us who are fighting and are not so badly off financially I say thank you for your support we really need it.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy I agree with all that you have said we have to take this campaign to the next level with or without 38 degrees . ICBP have access to 24,000 members who would vote if they new about 38's campaign idea.
      Have they been informed? It seems not or our vote total would reflect it.Even the 14,000 would make a huge difference. You are right ICBP need to step up to the plate and lead the fight. Failure is not an option.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I had one too but mine was from Hannah Lownsbrough.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hey Ann how about that then? Sounds promising, maybe Stevie boy will start getting the message that there are alot of very angry seniors out there baying for blood or some part of his anatomy! Keep on sending those emails everyone. Power to the POP.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Well I'm blowed Ann thats a new one . Wonder what happens next. Hope I get my reply soon and I'll email him again, but does this mean he never saw the original email? Wow to get on the approved list is something!(tongue in cheek for that last sentence).

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      HELLO is anybody out there?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have written to Zoomer magazine to see if they are willing to write an article about frozen pensions. Also I have read some of the articles on the ICBP website and one of the writers says the government take no notice of the plight of the pensioners because "they are not there to protest."
      Well we will have to see about that, a demo waiting to happen!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      ps to contact britsabroad.com just google it.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Here's my hit list; secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk that's Iain Duncan Smith.;; webbs@parliament.uk thats Steve Webb;;bottomleyp@parliament.uk;; thats Sir Peter Bottomley who supports us in our fight.;;ministers@dwp.gsi.gov.uk not sure who that goes to hopefully all of them. I have also left a message on britsabroad.com urging anyone who cares about the injustice of pensioners abroad to vote on 38 degrees. Phew!! need my coffee!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good morning from British Columbia, I'm not surprised Andy that your questions to the minister were ignored standard procedure its called, keep on banging away everyone don't let the buggers grind you down. We fight on regardless!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Way to go Dennis and Audrey, I'm sure Peter Bottomly will see our emails he is a nice man, I met his wife years ago when she opened a new department at the hospital where I was working.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have just sent a email to Peter Bottomley MP. He supports our fight and you can see an interview on Youtube if you google his name.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I am puzzled how this works because none of the three chosen campaigns are on the list of campaign ideas or have they been removed now they have been chosen? So know we need to concentrate our efforts. How about emailing local and national newspapers in our respective countries and spreading the word about 38 degrees and boost the votes?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hi folks I'm here, I am getting the feeling we are running out of steam. We need to get more new posters and voters, I am putting the word out around my area. Wish we new how many votes we need for 38 degrees to take up the fight.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy sorry yes I am tired so thats why I won't email him until tomorrow. Feel free to contact him as you are bright eyed and bushy tailed! Off to my bed .

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hi Andy, your shift starts as mine ends! I have been looking at the CABP online. British MP Peter Bottomly is supporting our cause and there is a video of him speaking about it ( although its very poor sound) I have checked his website and his email address is bottomlyp@parliament.uk I will email him tomorrow. He seems to be on our side so well worth a try.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      No Dennis and Audrey this travesty of justice doesn't surprise me, I just get so bloody angry at the injustice of it all. I'm the sort of person who shouts at the TV and the radio when I hear about all the crap that happens in the world.It must be something to do with the Irish half of my ancestry, I'm not a fiery redhead for nothing!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Meg I'm not able to vote yet still waiting for citizenship but if I could I would not vote for Steven Harper what a piece of work he is.( To those who don't live in Canada he is our Prime Minister.) I'm not surprised your lady got no response from him.

      !

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      The European Court of Human Rights has today overruled the British government and is insisting prisoners have the right to vote! So criminals have more rights than us. Does that make me feel all warm and fuzzy? No I'm mad as hell,those judges are a bunch of two faced hypocrites how dare they dismiss our right to fair treatment and enable the government to withold our money. I have to go and have a large gin and tonic.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Meg I was born in Richmond and also lived in Sutton for a couple of years.Prior to coming to Canada in 2006 I lived in Somerset for 2 years a village called Cotford St Luke about 5 miles from Taunton.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Meg when did you last live in the old country?I come from Surrey that was't on the survey list either, but you see the magic fairy flew over the home counties and sprinkled her fairy dust and all the outlying counties are now part of London!! Can't believe you didn't know that !!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Good morning from beautiful British Columbia. I have just completed the survey that Peter Morris has suggested, I think it's a good idea for us all to do it, have a look and see what you think.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Dennis and Audrey, good work, yes I got the same reply but fired back straight away that standard replys wont cut it anymore, we mean business and we are not giving up, I suspect the standard reply in the past has worked and people have given up, but we as a group as apposed to an individual will not be put off. I have a busy afternoon so will contribute later, I don't know how I had the time to go to work I'm always short of time! Meg way to go keep up the good work!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      As requested email addresses for IDS (Iain Duncan Smith,for those unfamiliar with the acronym) secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk
      Steve Webb is minister for Pensions webbs@parliament.uk and finally ministers@dwp.gsi.gov.uk (dwp stands for department for work and pensions). Get emailing everyone and let them know we mean business

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Chippy, still no email I will go to your blog and leave a message.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Also please let IDS and Steve Webb know how sick and angry we all are by emailing them. I know a bunch of civil servants open the emails but if they get hundreds of emails from very angry pissed off citizens the word will get through to the ministers.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes way to go, awsome as they say here in Canada! Keep going we will succeed by sheer bloody determination.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Chippy, have not recieved your email so could you try again?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have emailed the BC branch of the CABP to see if they can spread the word about 38 degrees so we can get as many votes on here as possible. I'll let you know what they say.Chippy, my husband Peter is from the Gower, lived at Caswell Bay, beautiful area around the Mumbles. So don't stir the celtic blood and spell Davies without the E!!.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We are still taxpayers in the UK. we pay tax on our pensions. Isn't a lifetime of paying tax enough? Thats what I say to those apponents. What more do they want blood?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We heard about 38 degrees through the Canadian Alliance of British Pensioners so one would hope all their members have voted on here but when I look back at the number of voters over the past month or so I have my doubts. There must be thousands out there so how do we find them and get them on board? I'm telling the expats I know here in Campbell River but so far not one of them has as yet posted a comment or voted.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter, yes I do have the ministers@dwp and have used it but Ithought I would try the address Wendy Jacobs said to use only to find it's permanently unavailable. As I said before we deal with idiots (or they think we are, and we get discouraged and give up. Hell will freeze over before that happens!)

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      My message to ministers@parliament.uk has bounced back. This address was given by Wendy Jacobs so it seems they do not want to hear from us. Tough, I will resend to IDS and Steve Webbs' email instead!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Sent this email to ministers@parliament.uk today;
      The standard reply sent by Wendy Jacobs is not going to cut it anymore. This generation of baby boomer pensioners will not be fobbed of with government indifference, this injustice has gone on too long. Witholding our pension increases is morally wrong, what happened to fair treatment for all citizens? We will not go away until the government does the right thing and includes all citizens who choose to spend their retirement abroad and end the discimination. Freedom of choice was fought for in two world wars and is every British citizens right to live with loved ones wherever that may be. We demand fair treatment, we have paid for our full pensions.
      We will not go away so address this situation because we are very angry at the governments neglect of its seniors who have worked all their lives and payed their taxes.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Chippy have gone to your blog and signed in, hope I managed to do it right, let me know. I looked up St Georges day and it seems to be on 23rd April guess we will have to pick another date!! Keep those votes rolling in and emails to IDS and Steve Webb. secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk webbs@parliament.uk Power to the POP.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Marilyn, I think that is the way to go they think they can fobb us off with the same old answers to our protests via email (but don't stop sending them). Not so easy to dismiss us face to face and they will not like the negative press that goes with it. We are POP's and bloody angry and we will not be moved.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      May I remind all posters to flood the emails of Iain Duncan Smith and Steve Webb with our messages and let them know about our anger at this outrageous discrimination webbs@parliament.uk secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I recieved a reply from the Equality & Human Rights Commission saying as I don't live in a commonweath country they are unable to help. Arrrrh!!!!
      I had to email again and repeat what I said in the first email and I added that the last time I looked Canada was a commonweath country!! We deal with idiots.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Andy & James thanks for sending me to bed with a smile on my face.If my husband sees this he's going to wonder what sort of website this is!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Have just sent an email to Steve Webb;;webbs@parliament.uk got this address from his home page. We must not be discouraged by the answers we get from these people, we must fight on until we get the result we all want. Andy yes I have realised since posting here that it's not only commonwealth countries where pensions are frozen I for one will include those other countries in future correspondence.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This is the email I recieved this morning from IDS'S office;
      Dear Ms Davies

      Thank you for your recent correspondence. Government Ministers receive a large
      volume of correspondence and they are unable to respond personally on every
      occasion. As your letter falls within the remit of this Department, we have been
      asked to respond.

      Your comments are noted but the issue of uprating has been: the subject of debate
      in Parliament; looked into by the then Social Security Select Committee of the House
      of Commons; and examined by the domestic courts, including the House of Lords
      and the European Court of Human Rights. All legal decisions have found in favour of
      the Government.

      Successive UK Governments have honoured their legal obligations to uprate UK
      State Pensions paid to recipients living outside the UK. The terms of the European
      Convention on Human Rights are taken seriously and compliance is maintained.

      The Department provides information in leaflets for people who intend to move
      and live outside the UK about the uprating of UK State Pensions. That information
      makes it very clear that uprating only applies in certain countries. Information is also
      available on the Directgov website at www.direct.gov.uk.

      Ministers do welcome all views, and I would like to thank you for your comments and
      assure you that they have been duly noted. Information about Government services,
      and the proposed reforms, can be obtained through the internet at
      www.direct.gov.uk.

      Yours sincerely

      Correspondence Team

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Hope you are all sitting down, I have had a personnal email from Wendy Jacobs!!! As I'm just dashing out the door I will post it up later.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This is a copy of my email sent today to Iain Duncan Smith;
      When is the government going to address the frozen pensions of 500,000 British citizens who are discriminated against because they have joined their families who live in Commonwealth countries? We have paid for our pensions same as those citizens who live in other countries around the world who get their pensions index linked. Why is it when in opposition shadow ministers say this discrimination must end but as soon as those same ministers are in power and can do something about it nothing happens? Some pensioners are living below the poverty line and yet time and again they are let down. This is an outrageous neglect of British citizens.Thousands of baby boomers are coming up to retirment age and are very angry and will not give up the fight for fair treatment for those on frozen pensions so don't think for one minute this issue will go away. You all should be ashamed at the treatment of senior citizens who a have worked all their lives and should be free to decide to live out their retirement with loved ones wherever that happens to be in the world, two world wars were fought and won so we could have freedom of choice. Also those citizens who leave the UK cannot use the NHS and claim benefits, just imagine if 500,000 decided to return to live in the UK and claim all they are entitled to? We will not go away we have been ignored too long.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Dai Bach, I'm so mad I think I'm going to explode. I can feel another email to IDS coming on! If I set foot in the UK they'll throw me in the tower!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Have just sent another email to Iain Duncan Smith, for some reason Andy the addresses to ministers at dwp and Steve Webb bounced back. Are we all flooding emails to IDS? I'm not seeing messages from many of us confirming this. It's worth having a go, nothing ventured nothing gained. I expect my address will be blocked soon so it needs lots of different folk to join in and get your point across and be angry let 'em have it straight!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Meg, please don't give up, you have steered us into a new direction and your ideas and energy are just what we need. Andys' suggestion of St Georges day is good, some negative comments are bound to be thrown into the mix, thats human nature but we can learn from them and move on to become even more determined and this situation we find ourselves in is a matter of principal, don't be diverted from the ojective we will win in the end.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Meg, you are definitely not hogging the comments section all comments are keeping our objective alive and you have some good ideas. My concern about timing our protest / demo on a day when security is even tighter than normal is that especially on the wedding day the access to Downing Street will not be allowed. November the 11th? Maybe possible but access to the Cenotaph will be strictly on a pre-arranged basis. A march to Downing Street the day before or the day after would seem a good idea but as the street is closed to the public permission would be needed. If someone out their knows more than me please feel free to say I'm talking a load of codswallop!! We must not be sidelined by a big event we want to be the main feature.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Iain Duncan Smith is in The Mail online today, not a word about frozen pensions, no change there then! You can see by readers remarks how out of touch he is, he is saying most people don't want to retire at 65 anyway so raising retirement age is not a problem. Still using kidology to try and hoodwink the people.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Jennifer, yes sadley you are right time is not on the side of some of the affected seniors but if the government thinks the problem dies with them then they are even more stupid than than they appear. I am 63 a member of the "Baby Boomer" generation we are just coming to pension age and there are thousands more to come, we can take up the fight as we have the energy to see this wrong put right. The generation before us are now tired of the battle (although not all of them!) and have been worn down by successive governments ignoring their plight but we will not be moved and we will fight until victory is ours.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Meg, yes go for it nothing ventured nothing gained. I have googled Dame Judi Dench, John Nettles, Micheal Aspel but you can't get to them direct you have to go through an agent. I thought getting some well known who is in the senior age group would have more sympathy for us than some young whippet! We could google Joanna Lumly but I fear the direct line of approach is not possible, you can't really blame them otherwise they would have all sorts of weardos contacting them! Like crazy old folk who are hopping mad!!! Keep up the good work fellow penchies we will overcome, we are British and we fight for what is right and fair.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I agree with Meg we need to march to No 10 and let the people see and here about the discrimination we are facing. I can't afford another trip to the UK at the moment having been back three times in four years but if as many as possible can manage to go it can do nothing but good. Carry on fighting, we shall not be moved, we are as mad as hell and hell has no fury as a wronged senior!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Chippy, you have given me a laugh on a wet day on Vancouver Island I mean this kindly but I think you have too much time on your hands by the time I follow your instructions the dogs will be wanting their supper. (It's miday here). I have my chores to do "a womans work is never done"!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I'm new to this computer lark Chippy, cutting and pasting I'll need help with and my helper is out at the moment!! I am sure our fellow posters can work out what has happened, makes it more interesting, a bit of a puzzle!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Peter, yes your right silly me I am getting muddled it was the CABP I must be getting old!!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Chippy, I so agree I let my subsription run out for the ICBP, I felt impotent at not being involved it's good to vent our frustrations in this forum and putting our ideas on the table and being pro-active and hopfully get the results we all want. Together we can do it, keep those emails to Iain Duncan Smith going, we will wear the buggers down!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Yes Meg things could be worse I live on the Pacific Rim in beautiful British Columbia and the " big one " could happen at anytime! Your idea of reverse psychology is interesting. Ideas for acronyms FOPS free our pensions. HUPPIES hard up pensioners. Power to the pensioners!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Here what you are saying Meg about emailing ministers but I still say flooding them with emails is better than not,It just takes a few minutes and someone gets to read them and if nothing else it's gets the message over that we are angry and we are not going away.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      For some reason the address is not all blue (thats not a technical term!!) I will try again. secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Don't forget keep those emails flooding in to Iain Duncan Smith Secretary of State for Work and Pensions::: secretaryof state@dwp.gsi.gov.uk and use your votes here, keep up the good work.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      So 60% of Brits want to leave can't say I'm surprised since recent governments have flushed the country down the loo. I say to my Canadian friends I am still proud to be British but of how the country used to be when I was growing up before the rot set in. We were sold down the river when Ted Heath signed us into the commom market and now unelected judges in Brussels rule the country. Is this why thousands gave up their lives in two world wars to keep old blighty free? I think not, I am so angry. We are fighting now as our fathers and grandfathers did, and to those seniors who are old enough to have fought in the war and are struggling on a frozen pension I for one and others here who are new pensioners will fight this battle until victory. The Brish lion is roaring its head off!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have googled the Equality and Human Rights Commision. This I think is a new organization started by the Labour government. I have emailed them to see if they can help. Worth a try, they are there to stop discrimination against UK citizens. I also googled Joan Bakewell as I read somewhere that she championed seniors rights, but she no longer does this, we must try and find someone else, I'm working on it.! I live in Campbell River on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada. Born in Richmond Surrey 1947 ( a baby boomer!!)

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      To Sheila Eaglestone.I think you will find your visit to the UK will need to be a certain amount of weeks before you get an increase and I may be wrong but the increase is only temporary and goes back down on your return. They have thought out every way they can screw us.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Thanks for the information Peter, Just me being tongue in cheek! Good to know there is a surplus of 40million pounds in the state pensions pot. So the excuse that they can't afford to pay us what we are owed just won't cut it. More power to the pensioners!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Call me cynical Barrie but Iam sure that money is not just sitting there, millions of pounds is given to the workshy and immigrants who have never paid into the system so maybe excess funds just don't exist.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We must not be discouraged by the standard replies sent out by the government departments, getting the emails on their screens is the important thing . They have to read them and as I said before the
      sqeaky wheel gets the oil! Keep up the harrassment, not just the few,if they see the same people are emailing them they can block those addresses so its needs lots of different people flooding them and there are thousands of us. So if we keep at it they will have to take notice, see also if we can find contacts with the British newspapers. We can do this we are the boomer generation we will not be moved and we will not go away.!!!!

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This is a copy of my email to Iain Duncan Smith,

      Dear Mr Duncan Smith,
      Can you tell me what the government intends to do about the blatent discrimination of British seniors who have their pensions frozen because they have moved to a commonwealth country? I moved to Canada to join family on my retirement after working all my life in the UK I have paid for my pension so I expect to be treated the same as expats who live in non-commonwealth countries who are index linked. Some British citizens are living below the poverty line and are in despair this is outrageous, why is it when in opposition shadow pension's ministers say this unfairness must be put right but as soon as they are in power nothing is done? Successive governments have looked the other way, these are citizens of Great Britian for goodness sake, please do the right thing.Jane Davies.
      Join me in flooding the minister with emails expressing our anger.
      secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      Iain Duncan Smith is the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions.Join me and flood his office with angry emails, his address is secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk lets be proactive make the government take notice. We are not giving up this fight.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I have been able to find the email address for the private office of Iain Duncan Smith Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. May be we could set a date when we could all send off a bunch of emails and continue to send on a daily basis on the assumption that the squeaky wheel gets the oil! His email address is secretaryofstate@dwp.gsi.gov.uk lets make a nuisance of ourselves and let him have our anger.Way to go eh?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      We need advice on how we can all band together do something. Clearly there there are thousands of us so lets find someone of influence in the old country to help us. I'm not sure this discrimination is common knowledge among the British public. Any suggestions?

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      I wrote to my MP, for Taunton Somerset where I last lived before coming to Canada in 2006,about our frozen pensions explaining that some seniors are living below the poverty line because successive governments fail to do the right thing and he did not even have the manners to reply. It has been at least six weeks since I wrote by email so I guess he isn't going to.

      Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

      This is blatent discrimination and must be put right now. We had no choice about paying for the state pension as it was taken at source it is our right to be treated the same as UK pensioners who live in non commenwealth countries. Some seniors are living below the poverty line, this is not acceptable, all MP's should be ashamed that this is still going on.

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        Jane DaviesJane Davies commented  · 

        June 2011????????

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