It will never happen ! Go to work.
Why not follow up on this campaign that has been running with a vast majority of votes since 38 degrees started but those making decisions about the selection of campaigns to follow have consistently ignored this possibly because they are young and pensions are the furthest thing from their mind.
With clause 20 being included in the Pensions Bill which will extend the discrimination for those who now pass it by and could ultimately be their problem as this has been fought against for 30 years and affecting pensioners for over 60 yrs. Think about it !
Yes Andy,You are right there and the more comments in the newspaper articles the better. Should you find some event or article that needs some comments John, then put a comment here and we will be notified that you have done so and we can all then look here to pick upon it. Lets give it a try and keep voting here as we do so.
Here we are on March 23rd and 38 degrees cares not that we are still fighting for justice for 560,000 pensioners. There has been a bit of backslapping over past successful efforts and now that we need 38 degrees to step up to the plate they are nowhere to be seen.
Hi John, Disappointment is par for the course I'm afraid. So many times the door seemed to open a little only to slam shut again but we persevere and try again.
You can understand why we tread carefully and let the politicians make the mistakes hopefully. Trouble is most of them spend a lifetime breaking promises.
I'm glad that somebody had that filed away somewhere because I remember that but could'nt quote it to back up the position of us and them with regard to backpay.
Apologies for the typo's in my comment below.
Don't forget - slowly slowly catchee monkey !
I tried to comment there but it won't accept my comment for some reason ( some parity error whatever that is ) which is why I came here as I have been reading them with interest.
John Jones, it seems that as you have only recently started to make comments that you now know the history and best way to deal with this problem but the BPiA and BABP making up the main body of the ICBP with 25 yrs trying to get some movement without success so far. There was a member who was extremely active in the UK who raised this campaign suggestion. Yes, one Peter Morris who regrettably passed away last year. To go at it like a bull in a china shop will do nothing but cause problems which is why those making the effort to gain a foothold are using facts and diplomacy where possible.The main areas are in fact Canada and Australia and to gain uprating for those would almost certainly mean uprating for all as those outside a vary small minority and don't forget that they are providing the majority of the funding for the campaign. I notice that you go for broke in The Independent comments and the consortium agreed that gaining the uprating id the first step to get what we deserve. Asking for all of your back pension and the uprating is not a reasonable request given that the country has had real financial problems which you would know about if you kept up with the news. You are right in saying that squabbling will be negative and you are the one making waves.
What both you John and Jane say is very true but of course the other problem is our individual health issues which often determine our daily routine not to mention a long flight or the cost. But we are not about to give up ! If we keep on prodding we will eventually hit a weak spot ! Then push like hell.
The 2nd reading of the bill is on the 3rd of December, so get cracking with your letters John and good luck. To find them look here :
John Jones.Chippy has already made the point. No organised group has asked for any backdating of the pension indexing and to do so is unrealistic. If the government are squirming about uprating from today then to do that plus how much more is out of the question ? It will not happen so concentrate on at least getting parity from now on. To give the government a good reason for doing nothing will end up with us getting nothing. They will continue to make excuses because they are politicians.
Hi John, If a pensioner living abroad in a frozen country decides to return for a holiday or any reason, then they will get the uprated pension for the duration of their visit. This will also happen if the visit another country that enjoys the indexing although even there, there are exceptions like the USA. This means that a pensioner living in Canada will get the uprating if going to the UK for a holiday will get the uprated pension while there but if they go to the USA they will not get it even though the pensioners in the USA receive the uprating. I hope that you are following the logic here. (joking) The whole freezing policy is such a mess and you would think that the Pensions Minister when bringing in new Pensions Bill would want to remove all of the stupid, illogical and discriminative aspects of the old bill instead of introducing it in a new one but then we are dealing with politicians are'nt we ?
Hi John Jones, As Jane Davies has said m we have tried but as yet failed to get a celebrity to back our campaign. You would think that 38 degrees would come good for this but again we have drawn a blank so far even with the high vote that you see at the top of the page. I have written to them along with others and invite you to do so. Eventually they may pick it up. Keep fighting though as it will not be resolved without doing so.
Hi John Jones,
As for your comment below it is no joke but a fact as bad as it seems. You mentioned reciprocal agreements - forget them as they are not required to solve this problem because the freezing policy is purely a UK government regulation that is causing this and it is up to the politicians in the House of Commons to address this discrimination. Getting them to do it is the problem. That is why writing to the DWP , Steve Webb, David Cameron or any MP, the MP in your last constituency in the UK IS IMPORTANT.
Do it for yourself and do it for Peter Morris who raised this campaign. Regrettably he died just recently. RIP Peter. We will fight on for justice.
Look at the website of the International Consortium of British Pensioners at
http://pensionjustice.org/ and also at their page on Facebook.
Sorry Chris but 38 degrees are'nt interested and have ignored this campaign from day 1 even though it was holding 1st position for 2 years. I signed your petition but a you can see nobody is coming to them anymore and it looks as though they will go down the tube .They are too young to bother about pensioners and could rue the day when they get there.
Hello Andy,, Please go to :
Here you can see the top priority campaign that I was talking about. Serious stuff this ! To hell with the pensioners , we must keep the soccer fans happy.
The latest received from 38 degrees :
Force FIFA to clean up their game
Football is the most popular sport in the world. Its global ruling body is grossly corrupt. The global game has to be well run. With a corrupt ruling body it is impossible.
This is laughable and pathetic.
This is more imortant than a pensioners wellbeing !
So what about the state pensions then ? Theft through the back door ? When did that happen and I wonder if they would answer that question .
Come 38 degrees. Let's have a comment from you ! Prove to many that you are not a load of losers.
Part IV. Well, You do have a lot of time to waste don't you.... Freda said looking down.
Ok, Although I said I would ignore your postings ,I am intrigued by your comment below to Andy Robertson-Fox who you obviously know and ask : Is the royal family really worth the expense? Prove to me that the royal family provide no income to the UK - if statements like that are made then they deserve some factual back up especially as you appear to need facts rather than assumptions although you admit to doing this about China and the UK finances.
If anonymous thinks that I sit all day looking at 38degrees website then she is very much mistaken. Anyone who has any interest in their own welfare when dependent on money from another country would keep a check on the exchange rates. I am fortunate it seems because I don't know who the hell you are. Seems I am lucky and I had already seen through the diatribe anyway and decided to ignore any other postings.
Anonymous, you are wrong to think that doing away with the monarchy would solve all of the financial problems. They actually bring in a lot of money to the country and to get rid of them would just mean having a president sitting in Buckingham Palace with the changing of the guard and all and nothing would really change. Basically the land belongs to the people and she is more of a custodian than an owner. It would be virtually impossible to work out who owned what among the artefacts etc. God save the Queen.
As for the frozen pension issue, the government borrow from the NI fund and have to pay back with interest. The interest alone is more than twice that which is needed to pay all mpensioners worldwide the uprated pension.
So I would say - think again.
Just dropped by to see if there were any more comments.
Situation normal - nothing from 38 !
Of course, the comment made by Freda was not meant to turn anyone away from adding a vote or a comment of their own and I hope anyone new to this forum would add their views. It was a dig at 38 degrees of course but to no avail as usual. Do they ever look at their own website and any additions that are made ?
If you have just come here to see what this campaign is all about, then I should not bother because 38 degrees have consistently ignored this one even though it had been top for 2 years. Try Avaaz, they might be a better option.
38 degrees said : Yesterday, after months of deliberations – we have the final, official word from the government that they will do what more than half a million of us asked them to – and protect our nation’s forests for good
Well now that is done and isa great result which I support, but what about doing something for half a million pensioners who are being robbed by the British government - see this campaign or are trees and animals more important than people in your book.
7923 votes, 3646 comments and the 38 team are asking for a suggestion for a new campaign ! WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE THEN 38 TEAM ?
Fairness, justice and equality are not part of your vocabulary are they ?
You have a plethora of suggestions and did have a system to highlight the top suggestion by using a voting system but now have an inchoate method instead of a symbiosis. I will translate if you do not understand what this and fairness, justice and equality mean.
Was June 13th a Friday ?
Oh Andy, you mean the working party that is so secret that no-one has heard a word about them or from them or even know who they are ?
This was some delaying tactic to stop any changes before the budget so they can run on another year robbing us.
Save the "..........." ! You fill in the blank. This group are losing credibility when they seemingly refuse to "Save the pension".
Animals , trees and the environment are all important but the people surely should come first as it is the people who make the difference and pensioners are still people. You on the team will be pensioners in the future and this could affect you, so what has to be done to open your eyes and ears or do we take it that the pensioners are
not worth the bother in your estimation ?
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In addition to my previous post I would add that the pensioners who live in the USA get their yprated pension no problem. I mentioned the war in my post and yes the Americans came in (eventually) and we needed their help.
You remember Lease/Lend and we helped to pay for the repayments through our taxes. The final payment of $83.3 million (£42.5 million), was made on 29 December 2006. Now we ask for justice over this freezing issue. Come on David Cameron and Nick Clegg, you cannot say that we do not deserve our full pension under the guise of any excuse.
When will we get an Honest politician in 10 Downing Street ?
The frozen pension makes no sense any way if cost overall is considered.
I wonder why it is the very countries who stood alongside the UK in her hour of need are the ones that are being penalised and having to look after many pensioners who now find themselves in dire financial straits.
I refer to Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
This current government is proving to be just the same as the previous ones as we have heard no word about dealing with this problem. And problem it is for many and I should say most British citizens in retirement abroad
Too right, Peter, obviously the Commonwealth counts for nothing in the eyes of the British government. The Charter of the Commonwealth ? - what Charter ?- Oh that ! Well....that goes with all of the other agreements signed but ignored.... You know.... It's not discrimination really but just a difference of opinion.
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