fairness, justice and equality for all British state pensioners
All people contribute towards the National Insurance scheme under exactly the same rules.
All people qualify for their state pension under exactly the same rules, based on years of NI contributions.
When it comes time to pay the state pension different rules are applied depending on where you happen to live.
If you live in the UK and in 40 overseas countries, your state pension is uprated for inflation each year.
If you live in mainly Commonwealth countries your state pension is frozen at the rate at which it is first paid, or as at the date of migration. This means that over time the real purchasing power of the state pension in Commonwealth countries declines over the years, so that after, say, 25 years, it may be about a quarter of the current pension level.
To rectify this problem it would cost less than 1% of the total state pension bill.
Apparently there is an unwritten cross political party agreement not to fix this problem.
Pensioners who have chosen to go overseas to be with their children and grand children in retirement in Commonwealth countries are penalised for doing so, or disouraged from seeing their children and grand children again.
Overseas pensioners have been fighting this discrimination, based on country of residence, for over 25 years.
They could really do with a hand from people living in the UK to help them, to lobby on their behalf and to try to over turn this unfair, injust and inequal practice, which is based on historical accident and which even government ministers have admitted, has no logic to it.
Hi John Jones, As Jane Davies has said m we have tried but as yet failed to get a celebrity to back our campaign. You would think that 38 degrees would come good for this but again we have drawn a blank so far even with the high vote that you see at the top of the page. I have written to them along with others and invite you to do so. Eventually they may pick it up. Keep fighting though as it will not be resolved without doing so.
I and friends have asked a few celebrities for support but none was forthcoming. I wrote to Joanna Lulmley, no reply, Dame Floella Benjamin, at least she answered and is on our side and is supposedly active behind the scenes. Also Helen Mirran has been contacted but no reply and some others without success so it would seem pensioners rights are not sexy enough to fight for.
I will join Freda in thanking Peter Morris for his support, particularly because this injustice did not affect him as he did not have a frozen pension. Rest In Peace Peter, we will miss you.
Hi Fred, so sorry to hear about the death of a colleague, yes the continued refusal of today and previous Govt.s is a blemish on all, my grandfather and father injured and died for justice for all,in two world wars, seems to me that sentiment is long gone, have contacted all the U.K. news papers asking for support but not one reply, contacted my last local M.P. his response, the Govt. has no plans to change its overseas policy on pensions, pathetic we need a Joanna Lumley, she challenged the Govt over the rights of the Gurkha,s and won eventually, is there no one we can turn to, or has the best of this world gone.
Hi John Jones,
As for your comment below it is no joke but a fact as bad as it seems. You mentioned reciprocal agreements - forget them as they are not required to solve this problem because the freezing policy is purely a UK government regulation that is causing this and it is up to the politicians in the House of Commons to address this discrimination. Getting them to do it is the problem. That is why writing to the DWP , Steve Webb, David Cameron or any MP, the MP in your last constituency in the UK IS IMPORTANT.
Do it for yourself and do it for Peter Morris who raised this campaign. Regrettably he died just recently. RIP Peter. We will fight on for justice.
Look at the website of the International Consortium of British Pensioners at
http://pensionjustice.org/ and also at their page on Facebook.
Live in the Philippine's no problem increases allowed, live in Thailand oh dear not allowed, bad people, is this joke or what.
The British Govt. use the excuse of reciprocal agreements, kindly explain the definition of this word and you accountants out there who is the least cost to the tax payer, living abroad or at home with all those benefits that role in, i.e. national health, housing pension credits, abroad zero, is this not abuse of human rights, or victimization.
Sorry Chris but 38 degrees are'nt interested and have ignored this campaign from day 1 even though it was holding 1st position for 2 years. I signed your petition but a you can see nobody is coming to them anymore and it looks as though they will go down the tube .They are too young to bother about pensioners and could rue the day when they get there.
The people living in the UK lack state pension justice.
You might care to sign my epetition on 38 Degrees that might help those in the Commonwealth, including relatives of mine when their pensions are eventually unfrozen.
BRING BACK IMMEDIATELY STATE PENSION FOR WOMEN AT 60
TO: PRIME MINISTER CAMERON AND DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER CLEGG
This epetition includes men as well by
- the loss of the higher age related tax allowance from 65 and
- the loss altogether of state pension for many from 2016 by the rise from 30 to 35 years contribution.
Me too! But haven't we been here before and voted for pension justice? Like you Chippy I'm not going to hold my breath!
I've just bashed away Andy!! I suggested they campaign for the removal of Clause 20 in the Draft Pension Bill, and emphasized they act on this existing and highly placed campaign. Our problems of today will be their problems of tomorrow if nothing's done!
I'm not holding my breath though,
Anne Puckridge commented
I'm also in for Round Two. Yes, miracles do happen but it should not need a miracle to get this campaign back on course, merely an honest acknowledgement that an entirely unjust situation must be righted.
I'm in Peter - although I am a member of 38 Degrees I had not been advised of this latest poll - so others, please don't wait keep bashing away at 38 degrees.......miracles do happen!
George Morley commented
Good idea Peter. Hopefully they will finally consider this and take action !
Been there and done that !
Peter Morris commented
38 Degrees are considering new campaigns. \it might be worth putting in your views:
The 38 Degrees office team will sit down on Monday morning to decide what campaigns to work on in the week ahead. So please vote now to set the priorities:
Yup me too...I'm back in the ICBP fold! I hope now that grown ups are running the page we can work together to get justice for the frozen 4%.
Thanks for that news Peter. I have yet to try and access it myself - you were not the only one that was persona non grata before it was withdrawn!
One hopes that with a new Chairman at ICBP (Sheila Telford) the opportunity for them to encompass all the major groups once again will materialise.
Peter Morris commented
I have just heard that the ICBP Facebook page has been resurrected but is no longer being managed by the expensive PR firm Champollion. And the additional news that I have now been un-banned from commenting on the page!!
Hello Andy,, Please go to :
Here you can see the top priority campaign that I was talking about. Serious stuff this ! To hell with the pensioners , we must keep the soccer fans happy.
Freda - I am a member of 38 Degrees but i have not received anything from them about FIFA.
Have i missed something or is it 38 Degrees normal "selective" democratic process at work yet again?
I think, Freda, the frozen pensions are the proverbial hot potato no-one is prepared to pick up. As I have said before as far as 38 degrees are concerned pensioner injustice is not sexy enough and we should all crawl away and be quiet and content with a pittance that decreases in value each year.