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stop Clegg removing the free bus pass for pensioners

Nick clegg wants to means test pensioners bus pass which allows them free transport on local buses anywhere in England

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      • JanJan commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Which agency/company will get the contract to administer the means testing? Will their fee, or the costs of administering this test, be less than the costs of *wealthy* pensioners using a free bus pass?

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Thats right , extend the pass to everyone, that would be a much more efficient way of putting more money into the economy than more quantitative easing. Quantitative easing goes into bank vaults to swel their reserves (not as the clowns ,osborne cameron, intended to boost lending to business) and indirectly, to pay for bankers bonuses.

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Why should wealthy pensioners get free travel while people desperate for work are often denied it because of travel costs? Transport subsidies should be based on need, not age.

      • HuwHuw commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Under this system the queen gets a free bus pass... its not being removed, but should a millionaire pensioner get a free bus pass? Make the rich pay their way, then there's more money to help those who truly need it.

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I say anything that keeps pensioners active and outgoing should be nurtured, not snatched away. Travelling keeps a pensioner's mind more active, and keeps them interested in life. Don't take their pass away!

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Low interest rates which benefit younger people with mortgages and credit card bills to pay off hit older people who have been careful with their money and saved for their retirement especially hard. The free bus pass is parial compensation for that.
        Also, if you think that this government would use any money saved on the bus pass for +extra+ spending on the the NHS or other purpose you have greater faith in Billy Bunter (Cameron) and co than I do. They would be more likely to use it to pay down the national debt, thus sucking even more money out of the economy and throwing more younger people out of work

      • ScottScott commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I and my wife enjoy the freedom and benefits that the bus pass gives us.
        I was born during the war and had the "benefit" of paltry family income diet and living conditions a father called up the day war was declared, was at dunkirk and D-day +10 and had a menial job at the pit.On a minimal income they scraped enough together to keep my brothers and I at grammar school.University was never an option free or not.New clothes,treats,trips out and all the other joys of life that those born after the 60's seem to think fell into our laps are figments of their imagination.Don't trust the Tories, by definition they are takers not givers.

      • David OsDavid Os commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The transport has to run with or wihout us older people. The only true cost (I imagine)is the issuing of the pass. My thinking on this issue is; it would be cheaper for governmentnto pay the fee for the pass, which enables older people to get to see doctors' and to visit the hospital when needed, than for them to setup a specialised transport system for this task? I will not mention the increase in cases of isolation and depression which would result in poor health related issues and the treatments costs then required. We do not prevent others using the transport system as we go to put our money into the eco system or to help out the local charity. or maybe use our life skills to help others' or babysit so our children can work. We the older people are an eco benifit to the system until the day we in our turn need help. it is also good to remember that your turn will come...if you are lucky, which I hope you are.

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Look just how successful Cameron has been in defecting attention away from the wealth of him and his like. He's got us aruing about the crumbs from the table when what we should be doing is to tax the rich fairly so that they pay a fair amount into the system so that the pensioners and the rest of society can be treated fairly in turn.

      • R & L EdwardsonR & L Edwardson commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Fewer buses......fewer shops..... less socialising ......more loneliness and depression for the elderly......increased NHS costs !

      • Paul CavePaul Cave commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Think there's larger issues atm. Such as stopping rising prices for all on buses from companies who can't run services well and still take a huge profit. Wouldn't rich pensioners drive anyway? How many people would this actually effect?

        Tho on the other hand I'd imagine the cost of the extra paper work might mean its cheaper to leave things as they are.

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Put money into the economy directly by extending the free pass to all British citizens. This would be better than 'quantitative easing' where the money goes mostly into bank vaults to re-build their capital base (!) and bankers bouneses. It would also speed up the busses by freeing the driver from wasting time collecting the fares.

      • Simon NortonSimon Norton commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This petition though worthy will be worthless if we don't also save our buses. Why have so few supporters of this one signed up to the "Saving rural bus routes" campaign (1935511) ?

        If charges have to be imposed then the best way to do so would be to charge for the pass itself but keep all journeys free. That way people will continue to use buses without being deterred by the cost of fares (which even under a flat fare system would be quite high when several changes are necessary).

        I may say that if the age threshold hadn't been raised a few years ago I'd have a pass now. as it is I'm wondering whether passes will survive the nearly 2 years till I qualify for one.

      • UKtransportuserUKtransportuser commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The cost of concessionary fares to the taxpayer is significant when compared to the total DfT budget and the cost is increasing every year. Free universal travel for the elderly and disabled has only been introduced fairly recently. My simple solution would be a national subsidised travel e.g. 60p per single journey or £1.20 travel all day, increasing by average increase in incomes, RPI, or 2.5% - whichever the govt. increased pensions by.

      • AnonAnon commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The sheer number of free passes makes the system fatally flawed by doing this the cover ment will save a billion pound a year, surely that money would better be spent on the NHS or something, pensioners get more than enough hand outs. If you can afford to be out at the clubs every weekend then you can afford to pay your bus fares!!!

      • Nigel TrottNigel Trott commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Means testing bus passes would create two tiers of senior citzen passenger on public transport-the fare paying senior citizen and the free travel senior citizen. The fare paying senior citizen would already be paying more tax than the free travel senior citizen and therefore is indirectly contributing more to the concessionary travel scheme. There is no justification for scrapping the universal nature of the bus pass.

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I've lost count of the number of times "its the politcs of envy" has been used by tory supporters against my valid criticism of "banker's pay for failure" and other iniquities (for the record, I don't want to be paid a bankers income) so it is good to turn the phrase "it's the politics of envy" against Beverley Common. The free travel should instead be extended to give everyone free travel. The buses would be used more, more money would be put into the economy ( better than more quantitative easing0 and many more economic benefits which i haven't time or room to enlarge on here.

      • Thomas cooperThomas cooper commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I am sure one of the comments by a minister was that cutting our tax allowance would protect our bus paases

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